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It sounded to me like he said "I'm not gonna pull it out"Yeah, this does not happen.
It sounded to me like he said "I'm not gonna pull it out"Yeah, this does not happen.
Look at the guy with his hand in his pocket! He's publicly wielding a firearm too! Why aren't the cops heroically gunning him down? He could have a second gun in there and just start blasting!
Because they need to be in danger to use lethal force. Real not imagined.This is ideal, but unrealistic. I don't know where this notion came from, that cops, once informed of the presence of a firearm, must wait until they actually see a gun before they can act.
It sounded to me like he said "I'm not gonna pull it out"
Technically the cop didn't say that. He said "Don't pull it out" it being the gun. It's not a clear command to freeze.You're forgetting an important element in that imaginary scenario. That element being a cop screaming at him to take his hand out of his pocket, with his gun drawn on him. In that scenario, buddy with the rifle is getting put down if does not comply within five seconds.
I understand but in the victim's mind he might have been thinking he was just reaching for his license and not pulling out the gun.Fair. I've listened to it a lot of times, and it is hard to make out. He could also have been mumbling. If he was still moving his hands towards his waist though, it really doesn't matter what he said.
Because they need to be in danger to use lethal force. Real not imagined.
I understand but in the victim's mind he might have been thinking he was just reaching for his license and not pulling out the gun.
General public needs to watch less Hollywood action movies and watch more Active Self Protection on youtube. Active Self Protection is a youtube site features many real life surveillance videos of gun battlesThis is ideal, but unrealistic. I don't know where this notion came from, that cops, once informed of the presence of a firearm, must wait until they actually see a gun before they can act.
A gun in his hand pointed at the ground is being in danger. A gun inside his pocket is not. If he never touched his gun the officer was never in danger.No. They don't actually have to have a gun pointed in their face, before they can act. Sorry, that's fantasy land nonsense.
This kind of reminds me of that other shooting, where the guy had a gun in his hand, was commanded a million times to drop it, but didn't, and got killed. People were arguing that he wasn't a threat because he had the gun pointed at the ground. I have a feeling if he had raised the gun, people would still be defending him, because they couldn't see if his finger was on the trigger or not.
A gun in his hand pointed at the ground is being in danger. A gun inside his pocket is not.
That isn't an excuse. He also said to get his license and registration out. You can't just say "don't reach for it". You need to give precise instructions to people in a situation like that. This was utterly terrible.
Or hand him your permit along with your license and registration.why even mention he had a gun?! it's sure to make any interaction with a cop 100x worse. Let them find it, if it comes to that.
You can shoot someone with a gun pointed at the floor faster than they can react. You can't do the same with a gun that is in your pocket. We can argue this back and forth all day but I believe he should have waited to actually see a gun coming out of his pocket before shooting.It is, if he starts to reach towards his pocket. Which he did.
You don't know either.
It sounds like it could be "I'ma have to pull it out", but it's definitely not "I will not pull it out".
You're forgetting an important element in that imaginary scenario. That element being a cop screaming at him to take his hand out of his pocket, with his gun drawn on him. In that scenario, buddy with the rifle is getting put down if does not comply within five seconds.
If an officer starts shouting, "DON'T REACH FOR IT!!!!!!!" it is time to put your hands up. Doesn't matter what he said before.
I never said I don't know what he said. You said that. I'm pretty adamant about what I heard.