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but the steel frame you could beat someone to death with it easier probably.
I like Glock and Walther.
but the steel frame you could beat someone to death with it easier probably.
I like Glock and Walther.
Gun noob + Home Defense = Shotgun.
Ar pistol eith a 10.5 inch barrel shooting subsonic frangible .300 blackout with a suppressor all day every day for Home Defense.
If I weren't in California, I'd agree this is probably as good as it gets. You cover all bases between power, capacity, manueverability, controllability, muzzle blast/flash, and over-penetration concerns.
As it is, no NFA for me.
What subsonic frangible 300 BO load do you speak of?
I'm a self admitted 1911 fanboy but:
I'm a self admitted 1911 fanboy but:
Guy is a Master level shooter and I agree fully with his stance on it.
I can't ccw in this libtard state so mostly for home defense and target practice.
Lehigh is what my friend uses.
I was planning to just get whatever is the cheapest reputable brand 9mm ammo out at the time of sale. Be it federal, nosler or remington it don't matter as long as it is a reputable brand and not some Chinese knock off but most importantly CHEAP. But you said pick ONE and stick with it? Why? Is it not good to mix ammos? I was thinking of mixing fmj and HP ammo so I can get the best of both worlds. Is it bad?Right on, I remember discussing this. I was curious because they do have a few different "controlled fracturing" loads in 168, 170, and 174 gr. but only the 174 cycles in an AR. They recommend the 194gr for AR pistols and SBRs. Either way, you're getting something good.
@freaky , don't mean to hijack your thread, but you'll need to also consider ammo choice... and there are no shortage of opinions out there. Do your research, pick a reputable brand, and stick with it.
I was planning to just get whatever is the cheapest reputable brand 9mm ammo out at the time of sale. Be it federal, nosler or remington it don't matter as long as it is a reputable brand and not some Chinese knock off but most importantly CHEAP. But you said pick ONE and stick with it? Why? Is it not good to mix ammos? I was thinking of mixing fmj and HP ammo so I can get the best of both worlds. Is it bad?
And THANK YOU to everyone who contributed. I'm going to molest some hand guns next week and hopefully make a choice and buy one before the end of the year. I'll let everyone know my choice. Cheers!
Daniel Shaw is the guy. Retired Marine Infantry and Combat Weapons Master InstructorI didn't watch but if the argument is you bring a 1911 to a barbecue and a Glock to a gunfight, "I agree fully with his stance on it."
POST PICS when you make your decision.I was planning to just get whatever is the cheapest reputable brand 9mm ammo out at the time of sale. Be it federal, nosler or remington it don't matter as long as it is a reputable brand and not some Chinese knock off but most importantly CHEAP. But you said pick ONE and stick with it? Why? Is it not good to mix ammos? I was thinking of mixing fmj and HP ammo so I can get the best of both worlds. Is it bad?
And THANK YOU to everyone who contributed. I'm going to molest some hand guns next week and hopefully make a choice and buy one before the end of the year. I'll let everyone know my choice. Cheers!
I was planning to just get whatever is the cheapest reputable brand 9mm ammo out at the time of sale. Be it federal, nosler or remington it don't matter as long as it is a reputable brand and not some Chinese knock off but most importantly CHEAP. But you said pick ONE and stick with it? Why? Is it not good to mix ammos? I was thinking of mixing fmj and HP ammo so I can get the best of both worlds. Is it bad?
And THANK YOU to everyone who contributed. I'm going to molest some hand guns next week and hopefully make a choice and buy one before the end of the year. I'll let everyone know my choice. Cheers!
sometimes it comes down to what you can afford. Does a person in a minimum wage job not deserve the right to bear arms or protect himself because nobody wants to provide a cost effective weapon?I’m all for being a cheap skate. But there’s certain things I don’t believe you should try and cut costs on. Pretty much anything to where you’re life is dependent on, isn’t something you should be looking to save a few bucks.
If you were going skydiving, would you look for a discount parachute? Buy generic whatever, but Guns and ammo, tires, mattresses, etc, don’t be a cheap skate on.
That’s a valid counterpoint. I’d argue that the added cost is minimal if we are talking about a 50 round box of cheap 9mm FMJ vs a 20 round box of JHP designed for defensive use. We’re talking about an extra $10 to $15 that might make the difference between stopping an attacker or not.sometimes it comes down to what you can afford. Does a person in a minimum wage job not deserve the right to bear arms or protect himself because nobody wants to provide a cost effective weapon?