What the F Is up with the F.b.i, keeps dropping the ball...

[nostradumbass]

Then their is a failure at some level if your country has that many people on the fbi watch list in it.
Too many to handle?

Yeah, it's a failure at a bunch of levels, not the least of which is just medicating and coddling everyone, then making celebrities out of every lunatic who goes on a rampage. I don't need to see that motherfucker's face or read his manifesto. Just call him some whacked out loser and these things dry up next week. Ridicule the people who do it, and people will not want to do it anymore. It really is that simple.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

The recent school shooter was interviewd by f.b.i and still allowed to purchase a gun?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasac...ng-threat-from?utm_term=.rcG9RBRek#.wtk3ydyVG


Evil Russia gave a call to the f.b.i warning about the Boston bombing brothers.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...suspect-tsarnaev-report-idUSBREA2P02Q20140326


Gay night club shooter was interviewed by the f.b.i for 2 prior terror related cases. His own father might have even made a call.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html

Nassar the pervert, which translates to the protector or helper in Islam

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/201...ed-by-nassar-while-fbi-knew-about-allegations

Hope they weren't putting too much man power on investigating Trump.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

How many of these shooters legally purchased their guns?

80% of guns used in mass shootings are purchased legally.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/guns-mass-...ding-congressional-baseball/story?id=48055331

Congressional baseball shooter guns purchased legally.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/guns-mass-...ding-congressional-baseball/story?id=48055331

Steven Paddock legally purchased 33 guns.

Devin Patrick Kelly passed background checks to buy guns.

And so on.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html

 

[Bloodworth]

Yeah, it's a failure at a bunch of levels, not the least of which is just medicating and coddling everyone, then making celebrities out of every lunatic who goes on a rampage. I don't need to see that motherfucker's face or read his manifesto. Just call him some whacked out loser and these things dry up next week. Ridicule the people who do it, and people will not want to do it anymore. It really is that simple.

Some just do it for publicity, there was a reason for it being on Valentine's day.
Boston bomber had his ugly mug on a rolling stone magazine .
All I keep hearing on the news is that the shooter is remorseful? Wtf , twilight zone shit

 

[Headkicktoleg]

80% of guns used in mass shootings are purchased legally.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/guns-mass-...ding-congressional-baseball/story?id=48055331

Congressional baseball shooter guns purchased legally.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/guns-mass-...ding-congressional-baseball/story?id=48055331

Steven Paddock legally purchased 33 guns.

Devin Patrick Kelly passed background checks to buy guns.

And so on.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html

I was talking about the ones who the fbi investigated.

 

[SaiWa]

In addition to the comment
He wasn't allowed to have a backpack during school in case he concealed something dangerous .
A bunch of other behavior problems.

Seems like a long list, lots of red flags.

Then if he purchased an ar and thousands of rounds of ammo?

Gay night club shooter was involved in 2 prior terror attack investigations that were thwarted.

A Russia intelligence tip is not some random call to drop a dime on someone

The Orlando shooter was involved in the first one and only linked in the 2nd investigation. He claimed he was being harassed and threatened other people back at his job in 2013 (or so he claimed). FBI interviewed him and found nothing else noteworthy. In 2014 he was linked to an American radical but they didn't find anything. And that involved agents tracking his daily routine, checking his phone records and informants.

He simply was not a threat till he snapped and became one. Until then he was just some weirdo with a short fuze to anger. Can't even take his guns away because he was in the business of owning one as a security guard so he supposedly passed a psychological test but who knows how tough or accurate and useful those tests are (in this case it didn't do a lot of good).

FBI has it tough. They supposedly get 700-1000 tips/calls per day. They simply do not have enough agents to thoroughly check all of them and even if they find one that's arguably suspicious or possibly dangerous they can't do anything or prevent them from buying a gun because nothing has happened yet.

That's the thing... If they interview a bunch of people connected to the suspect and they all say "he threatened to kill him/her, blah blah blah" then they interview the suspect and the response is "I was just frustrated and angry about blah blah blah" or "they're teasing me... attacking me cause I am different... " or "i like to troll and piss people off". It becomes a he/she says thing and they can't do shit because no crime has been committed yet...

 

[Bloodworth]

80% of guns used in mass shootings are purchased legally.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/guns-mass-...ding-congressional-baseball/story?id=48055331

Congressional baseball shooter guns purchased legally.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/guns-mass-...ding-congressional-baseball/story?id=48055331

Steven Paddock legally purchased 33 guns.

Devin Patrick Kelly passed background checks to buy guns.

And so on.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html

How many were on prescribed drugs that have warnings of strange behavior?

Maybe people on meds that alter their state and have warnings of suicidal thoughts should be put on a list.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

How many were on prescribed drugs that have warnings of strange behavior?

Maybe people on meds that alter their state and have warnings of suicidal thoughts should be put on a list.

Yes, they probably should be.

 

[nostradumbass]

Some just do it for publicity, there was a reason for it being on Valentine's day.
Boston bomber had his ugly mug on a rolling stone magazine .
All I keep hearing on the news is that the shooter is remorseful? Wtf , twilight zone shit

Not to go on a tangent, but I think it's the same reason the number of teenage trannies has gone up so much in the last little while. People would rather feel misunderstood than accept that they just need to work on themselves. It's people who just can't get laid.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

I was talking about the ones who the fbi investigated.

I dunno friend.

 

[phoenixikki]

You are missing the point here, it's not about throwing a potential criminal in jail (which can actually happen) but using resources well, following investigation procedures and conducting surveillance.
Considering this, the FBI failed miserably.

 

[Bloodworth]

The Orlando shooter was involved in the first one and only linked in the 2nd investigation. He claimed he was being harassed and threatened other people back at his job in 2013 (or so he claimed). FBI interviewed him and found nothing else noteworthy. In 2014 he was linked to an American radical but they didn't find anything. And that involved agents tracking his daily routine, checking his phone records and informants.

He simply was not a threat till he snapped and became one. Until then he was just some weirdo with a short fuze to anger. Can't even take his guns away because he was in the business of owning one as a security guard so he supposedly passed a psychological test but who knows how tough or accurate and useful those tests are (in this case it didn't do a lot of good).

FBI has it tough. They supposedly get 700-1000 tips/calls per day. They simply do not have enough agents to thoroughly check all of them and even if they find one that's arguably suspicious or possibly dangerous they can't do anything or prevent them from buying a gun because nothing has happened yet.

That's the thing... If they interview a bunch of people connected to the suspect and they all say "he threatened to kill him/her, blah blah blah" then they interview the suspect and the response is "I was just frustrated and angry about blah blah blah" or "they're teasing me... attacking me cause I am different... " or "i like to troll and piss people off". It becomes a he/she says thing and they can't do shit because no crime has been committed yet...

I think you really sugar coated that well.
People who were involved in a first terror investigation and only linked to the second should not be walking around or able to buy guns.

That is not even adding the other menacing acts .

I can't believe you can right that a mass killer was involved in one terror incident and only linked to the second like he was caught smoking weed twice .

Pretty sick

 

[JonnyRingo84]

The recent school shooter was interviewd by f.b.i and still allowed to purchase a gun?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasac...ng-threat-from?utm_term=.rcG9RBRek#.wtk3ydyVG


Evil Russia gave a call to the f.b.i warning about the Boston bombing brothers.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...suspect-tsarnaev-report-idUSBREA2P02Q20140326


Gay night club shooter was interviewed by the f.b.i for 2 prior terror related cases. His own father might have even made a call.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html

Nassar the pervert, which translates to the protector or helper in Islam

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/201...ed-by-nassar-while-fbi-knew-about-allegations

Hope they weren't putting too much man power on investigating Trump.

will you make a list of times the FBI acted appropriately and got the bad guy? no? too long?

oh i see....you're cherrypicking in order to make a case that the FBI is incompetent, just like the media you're parroting.

 

[SaiWa]

How many were on prescribed drugs that have warnings of strange behavior?

Maybe people on meds that alter their state and have warnings of suicidal thoughts should be put on a list.

Try to convince the NRA to budge on that one. They are in the business of ensuring people are able to buy guns regardless of whether they should be able to get one...

 

[Andy Capp]

I agreed at first, but the number of "suspicious" people they must come across is too much to take action on all of them. You can't lock someone up just because they seem a bit off.

Yes, even the FBI are human and can make mistakes. They also have foiled lots of plans of violence before they happened, but you don't hear too much about those.

 

[Bloodworth]

will you make a list of times the FBI acted appropriately and got the bad guy? no? too long?

oh i see....you're cherrypicking in order to make a case that the FBI is incompetent, just like the media you're parroting.

Cherry picking at the biggest attacks in American history? Are you serious?

I think with that statement alone you shared a lot

Pretty sick

 

[HereticBD]

Maybe people on meds that alter their state and have warnings of suicidal thoughts should be put on a list.

There is potential blow back to that though, as people with the kind of mental health problems that can be concealed, could become more reluctant to come forward and talk about it, for fear of being stigmatized. There's already a reluctance for people battling mental health issues to come forward, and now you're gonna put them on a "crazy" list, and take away some rights?

I mean, you'd get the people taking meds now, but what about the future? You're gonna have people thinking "Nah. I think I'll just bottle these suicidal and murderous thoughts up. I don't want to get blacklisted."

 

[JonnyRingo84]

Cherry picking at the biggest attacks in American history? Are you serious?

I think with that statement alone you shared a lot

Pretty sick

lol pretty sick? are you outraged?

you cherrypicked even "the biggest attacks in american history." theyre a lot like sports referees. only noticed when they screw up.

post a list of the FBI thwarted attacks, that barely make the news.

 

[SaiWa]

I think you really sugar coated that well.
People who were involved in a first terror investigation and only linked to the second should not be walking around or able to buy guns.

That is not even adding the other menacing acts .

I can't believe you can right that a mass killer was involved in one incident and only linked to the second like he was caught smoking weed twice .

Pretty sick

Not really sure what you mean by sugarcoating.

He had an issue at his work and claimed he was harassed for being a Muslim. It's a case of he/she says. He got canned for his behavior. What did you want the FBI to do? Throw him in jail for taunting and threatening people at work he didn't get along with? Do you know how many people would go to jail for that shit?..

As for the 2nd investigation, he was linked to some terrorist because they had attended the same mosque together. That was the basis of that investigation and nothing turned up. What did you want the FBI to do then?

 

[MicroBrew]

The recent school shooter was interviewd by f.b.i and still allowed to purchase a gun?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasac...ng-threat-from?utm_term=.rcG9RBRek#.wtk3ydyVG


Evil Russia gave a call to the f.b.i warning about the Boston bombing brothers.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...suspect-tsarnaev-report-idUSBREA2P02Q20140326


Gay night club shooter was interviewed by the f.b.i for 2 prior terror related cases. His own father might have even made a call.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html

Nassar the pervert, which translates to the protector or helper in Islam

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/201...ed-by-nassar-while-fbi-knew-about-allegations

Hope they weren't putting too much man power on investigating Trump.

A lot of this is just hindsight.

I prefer the government not incarcerate or otherwise deprive someone of our constitutional rights based on a zealous need to head off any future crime. Too many innocent people will be unfairly maligned if the gov. decides all reports with even the slightest bit of concern need to be taken as assured threats.

We only hear about the cases wheres individuals who were reported to the Feds went on to commit crimes, we never hear about the many innocent people who have been reported by suspicious neighbors/friends/family that will never commit a crime. Considering our population of over 310 million, some criminals will always fall through the cracks. If we want a relatively free society, where the government doesn't act on ever little accusation to deprive people of rights, we got to accept that in some cases the government will make mistakes and let some criminals of.