Ortega is not being compensated for 226

[The_Buckanater]

Then what is the point of training camps if you think an employer should be able to switch opponents regardless of major differences of style days before a fight

“Independent contractor” is what they are and if you want to be the best in the world then you should be able to beat anybody.

 

[Meathead Jock]

Thats bs why do you think your job coding and doing marketing is comparable at all to accepting a fight on 2 days notice with Jeremy Stephens?

Glad im not the only one who found the comparison ridiculous.

In fighting that zero in the loss column is very valuable

 

[AC1D1K]

max shoulda weighed in and then insta-flopped like fugita did. paid in full

 

[LouisBolanos]

 

[Meathead Jock]

“Independent contractor” is what they are and if you want to be the best in the world then you should be able to beat anybody.

Best in the world is a lie unless you are a guy like Mighty Mouse. 90% of champs arent clearly the best in their division. It comes down to styles and gameplanning at times between two elite opponents.

 

[killakillakilla]

Glad im not the only one who found the comparison ridiculous.

In fighting that zero in the loss column is very valuable

I hate when fans do that - compare their office jobs with fighting. It really makes no sense to me.

 

[The_Buckanater]

because they contacted me for coding, not cleaning the bathroom. I have full right to refuse to do what they didn't hire me to do while they HAVE to pay for what they hired me, as long as I was ready and able to do my work (if the servers were up).

Sorry, but you are soundly wrong here. As I said, this is flat out what Yakuza were doing in Pride... which killed Pride.
How you can;'t see the conflict of interest on it is beyond me.

They paid him for fighting, which he did not do. They offered him a fight which he did not accept. They did not offer to let him clean any bathrooms.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Despite not being the one who got injured, as of now, Ortega won’t get paid a dime for the ufc 226 fallout. Even though he had a full fight camp, team members and other fight related expenses to pay for.

And why should he be compensated. He was offered a replacement fight in Jeremy Stephens. It was Ortega's choice to decline the replacement fight. If he wanted to get paid, he should have accepted the fight... pretty simple.

 

[Diunx]

Max would have taken the fight

 

[Shaddows]

If he was ready he should have taken the replacement fight then, yeah?

nope.
He cannot be forced to fight someone he didn't train for. Simple as that.
The same way Jon Jones refused to fight Sonnen.

They have training camps and game planning geared towards the fighter they will fight against. Fighting someone else can render most of it useless. Different styles, different fights.

If you can;t understand this very basic concept, you don't know MMA.

 

[Rational Poster]

Maybe Ortega could sell some of his dumb suits to pay for his fight camp?

 

[Shaddows]

They paid him for fighting, which he did not do. They offered him a fight which he did not accept. They did not offer to let him clean any bathrooms.

no.
they paid him for fighting Max. Not ANYONE else.
It is the same as hiring someone to code with python, and when he arrives they demand him to code with Pascal.
Both are coding, but completely different.

edit: they might as well have offered.... it was not what they paid him to do. He was ready. Max (UFC) was not.

 

[Rational Poster]

nope.
He cannot be forced to fight someone he didn't train for. Simple as that.
The same way Jon Jones refused to fight Sonnen.

They have training camps and game planning geared towards the fighter they will fight against. Fighting someone else can render most of it useless. Different styles, different fights.

If you can;t understand this very basic concept, you don't know MMA.

Did Jon get paid?

Spoiler

nope

 

[Alpha_T83]

I think 50% is fair if the other fighter pulls out

Covers expenses and training but gives them incentive to take a new fight for 100% if it

I think at most he should get 25% of his show money, just to cover basic expenses like travel & some training costs... but the guy didn't fight.

He literally was offered a replacement fight and turned it down. I have no sympathy for him.

 

[Whoa Nelly]

TS I know you think you're surrounded by assholes but you're wrong on this one
fight was offered in his weight class, he said no - that's it man.

 

[The Bard]

because they contacted me for coding, not cleaning the bathroom. I have full right to refuse to do what they didn't hire me to do while they HAVE to pay for what they hired me, as long as I was ready and able to do my work (if the servers were up).

Sorry, but you are soundly wrong here. As I said, this is flat out what Yakuza were doing in Pride... which killed Pride.
How you can;'t see the conflict of interest on it is beyond me.

You don't understand this type of contract. Think of what the promotion does as being a matchmaker. It's not an employer. More like an escort service ( actually, more like the customer of an escort service, but let's keep it simple). It may have told you that one girl would be available Saturday night, but then something happens and she is no longer available. It can offer you a different girl, maybe even offer you a discount, but you aren't entitled to get the girl you wanted, and the escort service isn't entitled to get you to pay them if it switches out the girl. The replacement girl also is not entitled to be paid if she gets pulled off of one date and then refuses to go on the other one instead.

 

[Alpha_T83]

no.
they paid him for fighting Max. Not ANYONE else.

That's not how it works. Firstly, the UFC isn't obligated to pay him at all unless he weighs in and his opponent falls out after the weigh-in. They usually do compensate fighters, just because they understand that training camps are expensive and not fighting can hurt.

But he has a contract that pays him for FIGHTS. Have you seen his contract? Show me the line in his contract that says he gets paid even if he refuses a replacement fighter. I bet you can't.

 

[Meathead Jock]

no.
they paid him for fighting Max. Not ANYONE else.
It is the same as hiring someone to code with python, and when he arrives they demand him to code with Pascal.
Both are coding, but completely different.

& if you mess up with the different coding results in your salary being greatly dropped plus you increase your chances of being injured.

Once you add those two things to your point it would be more comparable.

 

[drazco]

didnt tony say when khabib pulled out of ufc 209 they offered him michael johnson to save the event but for less money?ortega would have said something if uncle dana offered less money for stevens right?probably wasnt even discussed since ortegas team rejected to take the fight right away.dat tony situation if true is all u need to know how much ufc cares about "saving"cards

 

[Shaddows]

Did Jon get paid?

Spoiler

nope

Yes, he did (show money).
Vitor was the first (reported) fighter who did not get paid.

Heck, I recall someone getting win money (not only show money) for being ready and his opponent not!