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News Marvin Hagler has passed away

Here he is on boxrec... Something wrong with his info though, because he says he had 3 fights at that time and Hagler was still champion. which doesn't add up: https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/26099

And here he is boxing an opponent you may heard of:


he looks like about what i anticipated, a clubfighter. Boxing folks have often stated things like "a heavyweight journeyman would defeat the greatest middleweight ever" which I was never sold on. I would not put my money on this guy over Hagler in the ring or the street.
 
he looks like about what i anticipated, a clubfighter. Boxing folks have often stated things like "a heavyweight journeyman would defeat the greatest middleweight ever" which I was never sold on. I would not put my money on this guy over Hagler in the ring or the street.

In the ring I'd go with Hagler by decison or late stoppage, maybe due to exhaustion from all the body shots.

But it must be pretty demoralizing getting smoked by someone who's just coming off a 10 y. long lay-off... He was probably thinking "This guy is a shell of what he was in 1974 vs. Ali" ... and the you don't make it out of the 2nd round.
 
In the ring I'd go with Hagler by decison or late stoppage, maybe due to exhaustion from all the body shots.

But it must be pretty demoralizing getting smoked by someone who's just coming off a 10 y. long lay-off... He was probably thinking "This guy is a shell of what he was in 1974 vs. Ali" ... and the you don't make it out of the 2nd round.

Sure but George picked him for a reason. One thing about George, he was maybe the only self managed fighter to really do a better job than any one else could have. I think it was Bob Arum who was proposing all kinds of lame duck opponents and Foreman would reject them as being wrong for him. He fought corpses for awhile, then he stepped it up and I think some of his fights were unfairly criticized, he fought some world ranked guys. Important thing was he knew the sport and he knew his limits. Anyone who could even do a half assed facsimile of a stick and mover would cause him nightmares, in fact, he only fought guys who would employ those tactics when he had to, morrison and then, fuck what was that german's name? Schulz, both ran. It's what leaves the interesting question, what he would have done with Tyson.
 
"a heavyweight journeyman would defeat the greatest middleweight ever"

The best mw? I never read that.
Dana White told a gym story from the 1990s about Roger Mayweather whooping up on a heavyweight in his mid-20, and Roger wasn't even middleweight.
 
The best mw? I never read that.
Dana White told a gym story from the 1990s about Roger Mayweather whooping up on a heavyweight in his mid-20, and Roger wasn't even middleweight.
that's just the general consensus, it's been around forever and just accepted as fact by many die hard, old line boxing people. I've heard of tommy beating heavyweights in sparring too, I assumed Steward meant Tony Tucker but I don't know. Sparring isn't fighting and so of course it means nothing. The weight does factor in, I've sparred heavyweights but not good boxers, mma'rs and martial artists but that's a huge step down from even decent, experienced clubfighter. I've also seen videos of different weights sparring, and yes, even the mass behind a bigger mans punches can move a smaller guy around even if it doesn't hurt, that is a huge factor in how tired smaller men will get. It happened to Robinson with Maxim and it's happened to many others. All due respect to the Duran's and the Pacquiao's. Arguello gave everything he had and more and he was completely outmuscled by Pryor who wasn't even a large 140 pounder, it's a factor. But Hagler? All that muscle and no fat, I think he'd do ok.
 
sure, but bizarre, it's not just anyone posting it, it was Thomas hearns unless his page was fake. How did he or whoever it was have even incorrect info that fast? They are half a country away from each other and you'd think that whoever would have gotten him the info probably got it from someone in Marvin's circle, from there to the net it probably got all fucked up. Why someone would concern themselves with any of that while a loved one was dying is beyond me. So.., possibly it's a medical person, they are usually good for rumours aren't they?

sure, but the “hearns” post had other factual inaccuracies based on his wife’s account of his passing
 
sure, but the “hearns” post had other factual inaccuracies based on his wife’s account of his passing
yeah, kinda strange, that's where the net is just strange when a crisis happens, there are always things that make you scratch your head. When Prince died there were a million of them that were never answered. His assistant posted a vid of her crying to her page supposedly before Prince died and it made us wonder if Prince had died earlier than we were all told and they knew but left the studio.
 
Sure but George picked him for a reason. One thing about George, he was maybe the only self managed fighter to really do a better job than any one else could have. I think it was Bob Arum who was proposing all kinds of lame duck opponents and Foreman would reject them as being wrong for him. He fought corpses for awhile, then he stepped it up and I think some of his fights were unfairly criticized, he fought some world ranked guys. Important thing was he knew the sport and he knew his limits. Anyone who could even do a half assed facsimile of a stick and mover would cause him nightmares, in fact, he only fought guys who would employ those tactics when he had to, morrison and then, fuck what was that german's name? Schulz, both ran. It's what leaves the interesting question, what he would have done with Tyson.
Morrison outboxed and outlanded Foreman, and Axel Schulz was robbed. They boxed intelligently and moved.. What Jimmy Thunder KO victim Crawford Grimsley did with Foreman was to run (literally jogging away from him), and the judges recognized it.
 
Morrison outboxed and outlanded Foreman, and Axel Schulz was robbed. They boxed intelligently and moved.. What Jimmy Thunder KO victim Crawford Grimsley did with Foreman was to run (literally jogging away from him), and the judges recognized it.
my point was you didn't have to even be really good at the skills it took to make george inneffective. Schulze was robbed, absolutely. I never was one for "he ran from me so he didn't really win" no, if he runs it's your job to catch him.
 
I was just thinking about him the other day. Over in Mayberry, there was talk about the reboot of Punky Brewster. I was hoping Marvin would make another cameo.

Marvin's cameo on Punky Brewster > Bowe & Holyfield's cameos on Fresh Prince of Bel Aire > Tyson on Webster > Foreman on Home Improvement > Ali on Different Strokes > Jerry Quarry on I Dream of Genie.
Roy Jones jr. Was on an episode of the Wayans bros.

^^The most 90s sentence ever^^

And of course, RIP
 
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don’t do it.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421

https://www.brighteon.com/5599aab9-5c4e-4682-9a24-ebc40c66b70e

None of these vaccines have “ever” passed animal trials, the current ones never had them because of the fast track system.
Two articles about studies on mice from 2002 regarding SARS, and one article written by an author named “Hostile Takeover” citing those same studies on SARS from 2002?

lol...the comments.

Too bad that a whole lot of people will have to die before the criminals behind this crap are rounded up and rendered unto a violent justice. There is no where for you to hide Gates, Fauci, Soros and that scarf bitch. We`re coming for you with the pitchforks and torches. It won`t be quick. It won`t be gentle.

Right on brother SO MASS MURDER IS NOW OK WITH THESE MONSTERS WE EITHER ACT NOW OR WE ARE ALL DOOMED THEY ARE INSANE IT ALL STARTS THE 6TH

You forgot to mention Obama who help funding the creation of the virus here in the US before it was sent to China, then he funded the transportation and setup of the project already in Wuhan. Also collaborated Biden, Hillary, and a bunch of democrats pushing for Covid 19 agenda. That is to put fear on the population so they get the vaccine when they don't need it. I had covid and I prefer covid over a flu a thousand times. We don't need a vaccine for covid, even if you are over 80 yrs old. The antivirals like hydroxy****, ivermectin, and others are very powerful and will eliminate the virus.
IT'S A SCAM.

<45>Psycho site.


Moderna animal studies:
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...-covid-19-vaccine-shows-promise-mouse-studies
The investigational vaccine known as mRNA-1273 protected mice from infection with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, according to research published today in Nature. Scientists at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health, and the biotechnology company Moderna, based in Cambridge, Massachusetts, along with collaborators from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, and the University of Texas at Austin conducted the preclinical research. NIAID Vaccine Research Center (VRC) scientists worked with investigators from the University of Texas at Austin to identify the atomic structure of the spike protein on the surface of the novel coronavirus. This structure was used by VRC and Moderna in the development of the vaccine candidate.

The findings show that the investigational vaccine induced neutralizing antibodies in mice when given as two intramuscular injections of a 1-microgram (mcg) dose three weeks apart. Additional experiments found that mice given two injections of the 1-mcg dose and later challenged with SARS-CoV-2 virus either 5 or 13 weeks after the second injection were protected from viral replication in the lungs and nose. Importantly, mice challenged 7 weeks after only a single dose of 1 mcg or 10 mcg of mRNA-1273 were also protected against viral replication in the lung.

The investigational vaccine also induced robust CD8 T-cell responses in mice. It did not induce the type of cellular immune response that has been linked to vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease (VAERD). This rare, allergic-type inflammation was seen in individuals vaccinated with a whole-inactivated respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) vaccine in the 1960s. VAERD can occur when a vaccine induces an immune response that is not strong enough to protect against infection. The investigators vaccinated mice with sub-protective doses of mRNA-1273 and then challenged the mice with SARS-CoV-2. The mice showed no evidence of enhanced lung pathology or excessive mucus production, indicating the vaccine did not cause enhanced disease, the authors write.


AP: https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9792931264

It's always funny to me when real news sources need to respond to what basically amount to chainmail being circulated by old people to try to keep the public from becoming completely zombified by terrible internet sources. "Some posts have suggested (insert false or whacky stuff here), however...."
 
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I was just thinking about him the other day. Over in Mayberry, there was talk about the reboot of Punky Brewster. I was hoping Marvin would make another cameo.

Marvin's cameo on Punky Brewster > Bowe & Holyfield's cameos on Fresh Prince of Bel Aire > Tyson on Webster > Foreman on Home Improvement > Ali on Different Strokes > Jerry Quarry on I Dream of Genie.
Ray Leonard was on Married with Children.
 
Two articles about studies on mice from 2002 regarding SARS, and one article written by an author named “Hostile Takeover” citing those same studies on SARS from 2002?

lol...the comments.







<45>Psycho site.


Moderna animal studies:
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...-covid-19-vaccine-shows-promise-mouse-studies



AP: https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9792931264

It's always funny to me when real news sources need to respond to what basically amount to chainmail being circulated by old people to try to keep the public from becoming completely zombified by terrible internet sources. "Some posts have suggested (insert false or whacky stuff here), however...."

plos one ? NIS? Are about as” real “ as it gets.

I was one my phone and couldn’t see , maybe I linked a wacky site, but two of them are legit. I had multiple tabs open trying to link them.
Edit . That was a video . Who cares what the comments say. The two studies were journal linked , I’m not sure what your talking about “ hostile takeover” being an author?

My facts were correct. There have only been a handful of mRNA vaccine studies and not one of them made it past animal testing, not one. The current mRNA vaccines have not been through the typical trial protocols, not good.

Riddle me this, why are many European countries pulling the Astra Zeneca vaccine?

Dont be a punk. I’ve alway treated you well.
 
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https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...safe-but-experts-fear-damage-is-done.4148589/

This here looks like a good thread for your discussion. And actually I'm interested in the discussion... One thing I know is that politicians don't know more about medicine than regular joe's, so how do people even trust those suit & tie asswipes?
Personally I think the vaccines are being rushed in a deperate attempt to solve a global issue & situation we've never encoutered before.
 
plos one ? NIS? Are about as” real “ as it gets.

I was one my phone and couldn’t see , maybe I linked a wacky site, but two of them are legit. I had multiple tabs open trying to link them.
Edit . That was a video . Who cares what the comments say. The two studies were journal linked , I’m not sure what your talking about “ hostile takeover” being an author?

My facts were correct. There have only been a handful of mRNA vaccine studies and not one of them made it past animal testing, not one. The current mRNA vaccines have not been through the typical trial protocols, not good.

Riddle me this, why are many European countries pulling the Astra Zeneca vaccine?

Dont be a punk. I’ve alway treated you well.

Your facts were not correct. I specifically pointed out how what you posted was inaccurate. You said the vaccine was not tested on animals, I provided you with the truth and multiple sources you can read on the subject, including articles posted by the NIH. Your article was from 2002, that is 19 years ago, about SARS. Mine were current, regarding Covid19.

I'm not trying to be rude, but you are telling people not to take a vaccination and using untruths as your reasoning. This is not a boxing opinion, this is a pretty serious issue.

I just gave you all the information you need, why did you choose not to read it?
 
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My brother got his and hes feeling crappy, I'll watch to see if he keels over and decide then.
 
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I never had the opportunity to meet him in person but he's one of my top all time favorites. My Hagler story is almost getting into a fight with a UK fan at the IBHOF induction ceremonies weekend around 10 years ago.

They had an autographed picture, the one where he's wrapping his hands, and it was the type of auction that was set for a certain time period and you'd write your bid down on a sheet. I knew as soon as I saw it that I had to have it but didn't expect there'd be another fan there that wanted it as much as I did.

We got into bidding war and by the time the clock started winding down we were there snatching the clipboard and pen away from each other raising the bid. I don't recall much foul language but one of the employees there wound up calling the Sheriff that told us to mellow down or he'd take us in.

After all that, in our rush to outbid each other, we weren't filling out the form properly and most of our bids were invalid. The enterprising employee though asked us if we'd both be willing to pay the highest bid for it. We both agreed and she informed us she had another copy in the backroom so we both ended up paying top dollar for it.

A buddy of mine had tickets to a banquet Hagler was attending that weekend and managed to get a glove of mine autographed so I feel I still have a little bit of a connection with him.

RIP Marvelous One.
 
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