Volk is kinda lucky

[HatKick]

Those were some of the tightest guillotine and triangle I've ever seen. No idea how he didn't go out. Maybe a little careless of Volk to get caught like that. Jiujitsu might not be the strongest aspect of his game. But he is obviously tough as fuck to choke out. If Ortega can't do it who will?

 

[Feardoesnotexistinmydojo]

His sub defense consists of supernatural resistance to subs that would finish a mere mortal

If Ortega got on the ground in first few mins we would have a new champ

Less sweat, more power left to crank

Volk won, he is better, but there is a hole in his game.

I think shaving his head worked too, less friction to lock in a choke

 

[Oiler]

So his "supernatural resistance to subs" is a hole in his game? Kind of sounds like a pretty strong attribute to me.

If its rd 1 he goes to sleep

He had his hand all ready to tap...2% more force and he taps

 

[acannxr]

Its a "you shoulda done it earlier" what if

It's not a matter of "should have", it's a matter of if he "could have", and Volk wasn't making that easy in the early rounds with his pressure and movement; in other words, you'd have to improve/worsen each fighter in order to change that reality.

And yes, he has a hole in his game and he will get subbed if he doesnt fix. This is pretty obvious.

That's like saying someone has a hole in their takedown defense because they got taken down by Nurmagomedov; Ortega just so happens to have a really good submission game, and despite that Volk was able to escape several tight submissions (which actually speaks volumes about Volk's ground game).

TLDR: Take your faulty logic somewhere else.

 

[kyunghee]

How would that be a hole in his game? If ortega can't submit him no one in the division will, if anything that fight will make people more hesitant in going to the ground with him.

 

[Oiler]

Those were some of the tightest guillotine and triangle I've ever seen. No idea how he didn't go out. Maybe a little careless of Volk to get caught like that. Jiujitsu might not be the strongest aspect of his game. But he is obviously tough as fuck to submit. If Ortega can't do it who will?

I think they were tight but Ortega was very tired and couldn't crank as hard as he'd like

But if you game plan against volk you would be nuts not to see this as a viable rd 1 strategy

 

[Unfinished Sentenc]

His sub defense consists of supernatural resistance to subs that would finish a mere mortal

If Ortega got on the ground in first few mins we would have a new champ

Less sweat, more power left to crank

Volk won, he is better, but there is a hole in his game.

If my grandmother was a bike she would have had wheels

 

[Lee_]

Actually, he showed that he DIDN'T have that hole in his game; he escaped those submissions.

 

[Oiler]

It's not a matter of "should have", it's a matter of if he "could have", and Volk wasn't making that easy in the early rounds with his pressure and movement; in other words, you'd have to improve/worsen each fighter in order to change that reality.


That's like saying someone has a hole in their takedown defense because they got taken down by Nurmagomedov; Ortega just so happens to have a really good submission game, and despite that Volk was able to escape several tight submissions (which actually speaks volumes about Volk's ground game).

TLDR: Take your faulty logic somewhere else.

These are good points...

so whats your game plan vs volk?

Just ignore what we saw?

 

[Oiler]

Actually, he showed that he DIDN'T have that hole in his game; he escaped those submissions.

The hole is getting into that bad spot at all

 

[jeff7b9]

Luck had nothing to do with it.

Cosigned.

Technique and mental toughness.

It annoys me when guys dont get credit for skills because it gets overshadowed by some other attribute.

 

[Lee_]

The hole is getting into that bad spot at all

Wouldn't agree that it is a hole in his game. Those were slick submission attempts; all fighters will sometimes have to fight their way out of such things because no fighter is perfect. Ultimately, they were of absolutely no consequence, while the ground portion of the fight was of huge consequence to Ortega..

 

[Oiler]

Cosigned.

Technique and mental toughness.

It annoys me when guys dont get credit for skills because it gets overshadowed by some other attribute.

I used the word "luck" to get engagement on this thread...

Its the wrong word

Volk is a total stud and deserves all the credit

A better way to think of it is this - if they rematch, will Ortega try harder to get the fight on the ground in rd 1?

I have to say yes.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Just shows that with Ortega, he only needs 1 moment of opportunity to sink in a sub and end your night, even if you're kicking his ass.

Yeah but we already knew that. We've seen Ortega pull a sub or KO out of his ass in fights he was losing and getting his ass kicked before

 

[Fight Professor]

Volk's sub defense reminds me of Black Beast standing up from takedowns. It is has to do more with brute strength than technique but it works.

 

[nostradumbass]

If its rd 1 he goes to sleep

He had his hand all ready to tap...2% more force and he taps

So what's the hole and who is supposed to exploit it? A high level submission specialist with subs over several black belts not being able to submit you isn't a hole.

 

[kflo]

I don’t think it’s a hole in his game I think it’s a proven strength. One of his best assets is his G&P and despite Ortega being arguably the biggest submission threat in the division he handled it gracefully and dominantly.

If Ortega can’t submit him how is anyone else supposed to?

What if Gordon Ryan got into the ufc, cut down to fw, and took volk down in the first round before he was sweaty?

 

[Oiler]

So what's the hole and who is supposed to exploit it? A high level submission specialist with subs over several black belts not being able to submit you isn't a hole.

The "hole" is this - volks confidence in his undeniable talents and training causes him to take some risks

If you can get him to do that when he is a bit drier in rd 1, you have a better chance of subbing him

This shouldn't be controversial tbh

 

[Natural Order]

Lucky? Dude just put on a masterclass performance, one of the greatest title fight beatdowns and displays of heart ever seen. Those escapes on sub attempts from Ortega were simply incredible. That's not a hole, that's a trait called mental fortitude.

Not a huge fan but you don't deny greatness when it's shown. Interested to see if he can keep this fire even as a dominant champion.

 

[Oiler]

What if Gordon Ryan got into the ufc, cut down to fw, and took volk down in the first round before he was sweaty?

Lmao, he had his hand ready to tap. It was just tad bit closer than your scenario.