International Russia vs Ukraine Combat Megathread vol 4

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LOL I feel honoured to be mistaken for such a fine sounding individual. Who won?

They both got a piss belt from the mods and never "met for coffee".

I'm hearing now that Mastercard and Visa have ceased operations in Russia, but Shell is continuing to buy their oil, along with thr US buying 650,000 barrels of blood oil a day.

If you're going to sanction a country, why are you buying their oil? What an idiotic thing to do.
 
If Donbas and Luhansk was his goal why not go the Crimea route? Little green men moving in? Because there is some actual grievances in those areas. Ukraine has been bombing it's own people since 2014, that's a fact, no matter how you spin the political differences. But turning Ukranian cities into rubble? That will turn even pro-Russian Ukranians against him. Just look at what's going on in the "liberated" eastern cities now. He has ruined all goodwill outside of the People's republics. It's just a huge blunder that Russia now can't get out of. He expected them to fold quickly and they didn't.

Because nobody in their right mind would only attack the one objective and expect it to go well from a military stand point.

If the only entered from the east. Ukrainian forces would have had a field day shelling that region as they have proven civilian casualties are irrelevant to them in that region.

Coming from the North and south means Ukrainian forces were forced to stay in place to defend rather than fighting at the donbas ( Russia's one stated goal ) Also without fighting established military lines that Ukraine would have had facing the separatists region. Coming in from behind and isolating a built up military region.

The separatist line would probably have been the most fortified military positions facing east. They get to bypass all that which would have been costly as.

It would also explain why that giant column hasn't moved and is full of older machinery and inexperienced soldiers. It would also explain to me why they've basically fought with kid gloves compared to how Iraq was fought.


It would also explain why they took the nuclear plant closest to donbas region as I'm sure it would most likely be the one powering a lot of that region.

But.... these are just my thoughts
 
You are trying to sell western propaganda.
Do you mean the same elections as in Egypt, Iraq and Afghanistan under the supervision? lol
we know what these 'international supervisions' are in reality.
Western controlled systems enforced on people.

By "western controlled systems" do you mean democracy? Election observation is important to watch for any shenanigans taking place. That's what happens in the U.S. too. 17 countries and 139 Ukrainian organizations took part. Of course an authoritarian lover such as yourself wouldn't appreciate that.

If there were no observers you'd just claim they were rigged because no one was watching. You're nothing more than a Russian shill.
 
yes. The media is like "OMG we are freezing their assets, taking their toys and putting on the fiercest sanctions in history".

First, Biden only put on sanctions after it started, despite also saying they know sanctions take months to be effective. So why did he push to filibuster them in early January as they were getting this intel, or throughout the entire build up.

Second, both France and Germany waited until the last minute to sanction them as well, only doing it cause we pressured them.

Bottom line is sanctions won't stop this inevitable outcome.

Meanwhile the headlines are "Wow, Russia says these sanctions are an act of war, blah blah"... meanwhile we are still buying their oil, in the dollar, and buying their assets, and also letting redistribution of wealth among their own country. These sanctions only hurt the normal civilian. Even if an oligarch loses a huge yacht, they are making more in oil, meanwhile buying up assets in their own country, along with banks internations banks also getting in on that actions. Meanwhile, they are all hedging the turbulant markets.

Again, the west said they are not getting involved, it is only a matter of time before this is over. The only people paying the price are Ukrainians and Russian civilians, along with the same serf/civilian class around the world, which is why they are saying this conflict is causing inflation around the world.

Meanwhile, all the the companies can make money off oil being $150 a barrel, the military industrial complex going to build up in the after math of this, all the banks and financial institutions making. And after making money off the oil spike, the same people are then are going to say we need to give a bunch of tax payer money to build alternatives to oil.

Oh, speaking of oil, why is the same media trying to now pump of Liz Cheney as the next rival to Trump? Her and Hillary, as the Clintons role out their globali initiative again? It is because regardless of who wins, the Cheneys or Clintons, it is the same global, beuracratic establishment, in step with the oligarchs, who don't care if young russian soldiers or Ukrainian resistance die. They just hyping this up to be WW3, while further expanding the wealth gap and pushing people into not being able to buy houses, car, energy, groceries they want.

edit: and half the world (China, India, Iran, Pakistan, OPEC) already say the won't sanction Russia and will go ahead with business as usual.



except Russia is not going to default and none of that is going to happen. That is all wishful thinking at the expense of Ukranian and Russian serfs, who are just fodder to the globalist oligarchs that are currently investing in Russia, knowing this will not happen.

War is good business
 
except Russia is not going to default and none of that is going to happen. That is all wishful thinking at the expense of Ukranian and Russian serfs, who are just fodder to the globalist oligarchs that are currently investing in Russia, knowing this will not happen.

Will happen. China will be happy to see Russia in deep poverty, then it will be easier to have Russia as cheap appendix to supply commodities under rules dictated by China.
Also for oligarchs, even russian oligarchs population in Russia in deep poverty is comfortable and good instrument.

Will be cheaper to hire workforce after they will be without savings and starved on food stamps.
Russia does have wild capitalism, market rules are working with a glance.

Russian companies had paid low salaries to progammers, salaries started to rise only when programmers get opportunities to freelance with western clients, work in outsource companies.
Now without western market they will be forced to work for salaries offered by local companies.
 
Because nobody in their right mind would only attack the one objective and expect it to go well from a military stand point.

If the only entered from the east. Ukrainian forces would have had a field day shelling that region as they have proven civilian casualties are irrelevant to them in that region.

Coming from the North and south means Ukrainian forces were forced to stay in place to defend rather than fighting at the donbas ( Russia's one stated goal ) Also without fighting established military lines that Ukraine would have had facing the separatists region. Coming in from behind and isolating a built up military region.

The separatist line would probably have been the most fortified military positions facing east. They get to bypass all that which would have been costly as.

It would also explain why that giant column hasn't moved and is full of older machinery and inexperienced soldiers. It would also explain to me why they've basically fought with kid gloves compared to how Iraq was fought.


It would also explain why they took the nuclear plant closest to donbas region as I'm sure it would most likely be the one powering a lot of that region.

But.... these are just my thoughts
The difference is that because those regions are already self-proclaimed free republics that would entail Ukraine basically being the aggressor in this scenario if they were to attack. See Georgia. Or it's atleast something Putin could argue more convincingly, that he is protecting the russian-speaking minority. It's a different scenario from a full-scale invasion. I'm not even sure that Ukraine would take that fight, but then again, Zelensky has shown himself to be very zealous.
 
Time favors the Russians

The weaker Ukraine is, the lower their negotiating power

You want to negotiate from a position of strength, not desperation..game theory 101
You're assuming that Ukrainian armed force ranks don't grow over the next few months. It's a nation of 40 million people that's now like 98% hostile to Russians. Even if Russia were to occupy it, that would take a few hundred thousand Russians - officers, MP, soldiers..etc.

Estimates right now are that Russia has suffered 10,000 dead. Casulaties are obviously higher. When you couple that with an economy that will be annhihilated over time, a ruble (which is what Putin pays his soldiers in) worth nothing and absolutely no end in sight, this is a catastrophy for Russia/Putin.

I read somewhere that Ukraine is offering $40k to Russian soldiers who wish to defect. I think the West should up that figure to 100k a man - asylum and safety. 20k Russian soldiers could defect and it'd only cost $2B. Would never happen but honestly, it would be the ultimate show of economic power.
 
analysis of russian air force in ukraine

It's too long his explanation but Russia needs their most advance weapons on the sidelines if the situation changes and NATO decides to get evolved also there is rumored problems with Russia's most advanced 5th generation fighter jets and most advance next generation tanks. He seems not to discuss these issues Russia facing.
 
By "western controlled systems" do you mean democracy? Election observation is important to watch for any shenanigans taking place. That's what happens in the U.S. too. 17 countries and 139 Ukrainian organizations took part. Of course an authoritarian lover such as yourself wouldn't appreciate that.

If there were no observers you'd just claim they were rigged because no one was watching. You're nothing more than a Russian shill.
He's no Russian shill, just anti anything western civilization represents. Free speech, anti authoritarianism and resistance to dogma are all bad type of a thing.
 
The difference is that because those regions are already self-proclaimed free republics that would entail Ukraine basically being the aggressor in this scenario if they were to attack. Or it's atleast something Putin could argue more convincingly, that he is protecting the russian-speaking minority. It's a different scenario from a full-scale invasion. I'm not even sure that Ukraine would take that fight, but then again, Zelensky has shown himself to be very zealous.


The west wouldn't have bought that mate. If Russian troops moved into that region. It would have been termed a invasion anyway imo. They'd be shelled ( along with everything else )

Then if they retaliated by shelling Ukraine back? There'd still be cries of a Russian invasion and bombing Ukraine. Probably still sanctions
 
yes. The media is like "OMG we are freezing their assets, taking their toys and putting on the fiercest sanctions in history".

First, Biden only put on sanctions after it started, despite also saying they know sanctions take months to be effective. So why did he push to filibuster them in early January as they were getting this intel, or throughout the entire build up.

Second, both France and Germany waited until the last minute to sanction them as well, only doing it cause we pressured them.

Bottom line is sanctions won't stop this inevitable outcome.

Meanwhile the headlines are "Wow, Russia says these sanctions are an act of war, blah blah"... meanwhile we are still buying their oil, in the dollar, and buying/investing in their assets, and also letting redistribution of wealth among their own country. These sanctions only hurt the normal civilian. Even if an oligarch loses a huge yacht, they are making more in oil, meanwhile buying up assets in their own country, along with banks internations banks also getting in on that actions. Meanwhile, they are all hedging the turbulant markets.

Again, the west said they are not getting involved, it is only a matter of time before this is over. The only people paying the price are Ukrainians and Russian civilians, along with the same serf/civilian class around the world, which is why they are saying this conflict is causing inflation around the world.

Meanwhile, all the the companies can make money off oil being $150 a barrel, the military industrial complex going to build up in the after math of this, all the banks and financial institutions making. And after making money off the oil spike, the same people are then are going to say we need to give a bunch of tax payer money to build alternatives to oil.

Oh, speaking of oil, why is the same media trying to now pump of Liz Cheney as the next rival to Trump? Her and Hillary, as the Clintons role out their globali initiative again? It is because regardless of who wins, the Cheneys or Clintons, it is the same global, beuracratic establishment, in step with the oligarchs, who don't care if young russian soldiers or Ukrainian resistance die. They just hyping this up to be WW3, while further expanding the wealth gap and pushing people into not being able to buy houses, car, energy, groceries they want.

edit: and half the world (China, India, Iran, Pakistan, OPEC) already say the won't sanction Russia and will go ahead with business as usual.



except Russia is not going to default and none of that is going to happen. That is all wishful thinking at the expense of Ukranian and Russian serfs, who are just fodder to the globalist oligarchs that are currently investing in Russia, knowing this will not happen.
God damn. That's quite an analysis.
 
You're assuming that Ukrainian armed force ranks don't grow over the next few months. It's a nation of 40 million people that's now like 98% hostile to Russians. Even if Russia were to occupy it, that would take a few hundred thousand Russians - officers, MP, soldiers..etc.

Estimates right now are that Russia has suffered 10,000 dead. Casulaties are obviously higher. When you couple that with an economy that will be annhihilated over time, a ruble (which is what Putin pays his soldiers in) worth nothing and absolutely no end in sight, this is a catastrophy for Russia/Putin.

I read somewhere that Ukraine is offering $40k to Russian soldiers who wish to defect. I think the West should up that figure to 100k a man - asylum and safety. 20k Russian soldiers could defect and it'd only cost $2B. Would never happen but honestly, it would be the ultimate show of economic power.
Wrong. Russia says 498 deaths

 
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