Elections Leftwing commentator Kim Iversen explains why she likes Ron DeSantis

[GhostZ06]

Kim Iversen explains why she likes DeSantis for president in 2024. She tries to get her democrat cohost to explain why she hates DeSantis and gets no answer other than he's a republican.

i dont even care lol

 

[Fugazy]

How can someone who is supposedly left wing like Desantis as a candidate? He wants lower taxes on corporations and more tax cuts, he doesn't support universal healthcare and wants to increase private insurance (healthcare isn't a right), he wants to increase military spending, he wants to end subsidies for wind and no carbon tax, he is pro-Israel, he wants to oppose same sex marriage, he doesn't want any restrictions on gun purchases, he wants to end public funding for abortions and is anti-abortion in general. Not to mention his holy schtick is based on the culture war and religous nonsense (wants to legislate school curriculums and have more prayers in school). Sure, he's good at what he does and speaking to his base and he might have an actual shot, but liking him coming from a "left" perspective? I wonder why she mentioned absolutely nothing of the above, or seemed concerned about that...

Btw, it's been Democrats in Florida proposing bills for legalization which Desantis has been opposing for years. He signed in a bill on medical marijuana, not recreational use.

Depends on how they vote, no?

If she’s supported left wing candidates her whole life, departing for that one time to vote for DeSantis, probably because she likes a few things about him but hates this White House doesn’t mean she isn’t left-wing anymore. A lot of people hold their nose when they vote and that could be the case here. It’s a pretty simple idea to grasp.

I literally have no idea who this person is, btw. I’m just bored rn.

 

[Fugazy]

He has a shaky hold on Congress, he can't do whatever he wants. Progressives who expect him to wave a wand and forgive all student debt and make UHC happen are entirely unreasonable. He's made big moves by working with what's within his sphere of control, the executive branch, and that's being entirely ignored by progressives because their checklist isn't being met

Its like a child crying because they asked for a PS5 and their parents got them a Switch instead.

You certainly felt comfortable accusing me of contrarianism so I think its fair for me to point out that you side with the contrarians more often than not.

We just got a switch, I’m pretty excited tbh. I don’t know what to play on it. Gonna go to Target or Best Buy and look at some games and controllers

 

[Seano]

We need way more of this stuff. Being able to vote across the aisle is part of what keeps the system healthy.

She being smeared as a Republican yet?

Did you hear the demonic noise the other woman made when she said she liked Desantis?

 

[PhitePhan]

Sure, if we're not talking about the covid vaccine specifically.

Did black folks switch parties recently?

 

[So Fresh]

How can someone who is supposedly left wing like Desantis as a candidate? He wants lower taxes on corporations and more tax cuts, he doesn't support universal healthcare and wants to increase private insurance (healthcare isn't a right), he wants to increase military spending, he wants to end subsidies for wind and no carbon tax, he is pro-Israel, he wants to oppose same sex marriage, he doesn't want any restrictions on gun purchases, he wants to end public funding for abortions and is anti-abortion in general. Not to mention his holy schtick is based on the culture war and religous nonsense (wants to legislate school curriculums and have more prayers in school). Sure, he's good at what he does and speaking to his base and he might have an actual shot, but liking him coming from a "left" perspective? I wonder why she mentioned absolutely nothing of the above, or seemed concerned about that...

Btw, it's been Democrats in Florida proposing bills for legalization which Desantis has been opposing for years. He signed in a bill on medical marijuana, not recreational use.

Must be some “both sideism” media play to make the republicans look less like complete lunatics.

 

[So Fresh]

not supporting forced vaccination is about as liberal as it gets. Your problem is you just don't support liberalism, you support left wing authoritarianism.

Is left wing authoritarianism the new replacement buzzword for communism on the right?

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

He's pretty much the opposite of Bernie on most issues.

That's why I said I wouldn't vote for him. I think he's closer to a libertarian than a conservative, bible thumping Republican though. I can find common ground on social libertarian issues at least. I still wouldn't vote for him but I wouldn't be worried if he got the nomination and was president like I would a lot of the others.

 

[Pinyin]

Funny how all these guys who only have right wing talking points, go on fox news, spend their entire time talking about how progressives suck, keep saying they are left wing.

the scale keeps sliding. try to keep up. i bet you think Joe Rogan and Bernie Sanders are alt-right, don't you?

 

[PhitePhan]

Is left wing authoritarianism the new replacement buzzword for communism on the right?

I think the new label more so reflects the fact that left wing folks promoted stripping the rights of individuals who didn’t take the super duper safe and totally not rushed COVID vaccines…

“support and opposition towards mandates and proof of vaccination by businesses has largely fallen along party lines with Democrats mostly supporting such measures and Republicans mostly against…”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_mandates_in_the_United_States

 

[Bald1]

Is left wing authoritarianism the new replacement buzzword for communism on the right?

Might be. Many people conflate socialism with Communism or think any social programs are communist in nature after all.

But when a high profile lefty leader such as Trudeau asks a question, on national television, such as should people who peacefully and harmlessly disagree be tolerated and his base gives him a pass, then the time has long passed where the authoritarian direction the left is heading in can be ignored. That's not something that can be spun Luke cancel culture. That's displaying in your face authoritarian tendencies.

 

[SKYNET]

He is more concerned with media coverage than actual problems in Florida. For example, home insurance here is totally fucked.

I'll evaluate my choices based on the issues come November. If the pros don't outweigh the cons then he won't get my vote. Plain and simple.

 

[Day Drinking]

I'll evaluate my choices based on the issues come November. If the pros don't outweigh the cons then he won't get my vote. Plain and simple.

Yeah, sure you will. I can tell by your response to a specific failure that is affecting everyone in the state, as opposed to whining about wokeness.

 

[ElKarlo]

the scale keeps sliding. try to keep up. i bet you think Joe Rogan and Bernie Sanders are alt-right, don't you?

Yes the idea of what right wing is now is what left when I was 15 years ago. They did cry everything that is not left wing as extreme right. They really have no idea what you’re talking about have no basis in any history or reality

 

[AndroidRage]

Kim Iversen explains why she likes DeSantis for president in 2024. She tries to get her democrat cohost to explain why she hates DeSantis and gets no answer other than he's a republican.

If Kim Iverson is a leftwinger than so is Trump. Lmao

 

[12ga.]

This "b-b-both sides" stuff is just not jiving with reality though. Yes Biden hasn't carried out the list of demands that nutjob progressives insist on as a purity test but that's a bad reason to equate the Dems with the GOP for two reasons. One is some of those demands are just dumb. We don't need to forgive all student loan debt or even offer blanket forgiveness, there are many other policy priorities that would actually help the poor while blanket student loan forgiveness is bad both in that its specifically helps middle and upper class borrowers, is expensive, and offers bad optics to be exploited by the opposition.

Second, Biden has made progress even on some of these demands. For instance, Biden raised the MW for federal workers and employees of federal contractors to $15, up from just over $10. He also revoked an exemption signed by Trump that barred certain workers on federal lands form federal MW protections.

On the issue of student loans Biden has forgiven billions of dollars worth in student loans. Over 690,000 students students who were defrauded by their schools and more than 400,000 who have a severe and permanent disability saw $7.9 billion and $8.5 billion worth of loans forgiven respectively. Additionally, another 113,000 borrowers had ~$6.8 billion forgiven through the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program. So in total, 1.2 million borrowers saw ~$23 billion worth of student loans forgiven under the Biden administration. How much did Trump forgive?

So yeah, stop drinking the Kool aid and thinking both parties are the same. Not saying you have to support Dems, maybe you think $15 MW and student debt forgiveness are dumb ideas(I personally think blanket student loan forgiveness is dumb for the reasons I articulated earlier though I love the idea of forgiving loans for the severely disabled and for students defrauded by their schools). But if you are about those things its clear that Democrats are the ones inching towards them.

No same worse. Democrats more effective evil. 99% of shit they do to fuck us wouldn't fly under republicans all the way back to clintons welfare reform

you have a lot to learn start here

https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/02/15/democrats-the-more-effective-evil/

As far as Student loans.. I just feel for these kids..when i went was basically free because we actually taxed rich people to pay for it.,..and it's not like rich arnt getting all the benefits anyway - an educated workforce to work for them.

 

[AndroidRage]

Everyone that steps out of line and thinks for themselves is a grifter. Or far right. Or something something something. It's getting comical now how quickly these people will scream heresy.

Sure bud. God knows it is only the ones who agree with everything right wing talking point while claiming to be on the left are open minded. I wonder why we never see that play out in reverse? Oh, that's right. Because grifting right wingers is like taking candy from a dumb, deaf, and blind baby.

 

[AndroidRage]

Yes the idea of what right wing is now is what left when I was 15 years ago. They did cry everything that is not left wing as extreme right. They really have no idea what you’re talking about have no basis in any history or reality

No, it is you who has no idea or no basis in history. You are going all the way back to what? Bill Clinton? The guy who shifted the entire Democratic party to the right?

 

[skold]

Ah yes, "left wing"

Like Dave Rubin, Tim Pool and Jimmy Dore... right?

 

[ElKarlo]

No, it is you who has no idea or no basis in history. You are going all the way back to what? Bill Clinton? The guy who shifted the entire Democratic party to the right?

Or maybe you could look at the actual polices and see that the Reps have drifted to the center, while the Dems have gone deep into the extreme left. I think even someone with a female penis could understand that.