Social The political polarization of education in the US

[Two Crows]

Watching this mini-doc today lead me to thinking of not only the topic itself, but of the various sundry bits of consequence that politics, unions, & entrepreneurship spin-off.

Many people in the US will decry the NEA and much of the traditional public school system as promoting a political ideology. At the exact same time, many people in the US will make the exact same statement about non-traditional independent entities, like charter schools.

The US seems, to me, to have lost most if not all of it's "educational authorities" in the eyes of the general public. Everyone points at whichever side they find objectionable and simply accuse them of propaganda.

How do we resolve this, particularly without overt censorship (legal or financial)?

Why aren't parents allowed to vote on curriculum, or even subject?

Ex. Take the stance:
"Why on earth isn't there mandatory classes in finance in a Capitalistic society? Every last child will require this knowledge throughout their lives, and it is arguably far more important than most of what is required."

Who should decide if this is valid, and why?

 

[SummerStriker]

Education is left leaning, even in right leaning states, because educators have a lot of education. The dumber you are, the bigger asshole you are, and the less curious you are about the nature of things, or the more you prefer things over people, the more likely you are to adopt a simple, self agrandizing story about your place in the world.

Educators then have to teach correctly despite the headwind of society's idiots, pricks, morons, assholes, and rich jerkoffs that got their money without feeling concern for people.

 

[shinkyoku]

pragerU as source! enough said.

 

[SandisLL]

Best education is from crows in Bakhmut area.

 

[HomeCheese]

Watching this mini-doc today lead me to thinking of not only the topic itself, but of the various sundry bits of consequence that politics, unions, & entrepreneurship spin-off.

Many people in the US will decry the NEA and much of the traditional public school system as promoting a political ideology. At the exact same time, many people in the US will make the exact same statement about non-traditional independent entities, like charter schools.

The US seems, to me, to have lost most if not all of it's "educational authorities" in the eyes of the general public. Everyone points at whichever side they find objectionable and simply accuse them of propaganda.

How do we resolve this, particularly without overt censorship (legal or financial)?

Why aren't parents allowed to vote on curriculum, or even subject?

Ex. Take the stance:
"Why on earth isn't there mandatory classes in finance in a Capitalistic society? Every last child will require this knowledge throughout their lives, and it is arguably far more important than most of what is required."

Who should decide if this is valid, and why?

Most good parents help their kid understand finance. My kids school (public k-8) had a learn to earn program starting in kindergarten where you got a saving account and could make small on campus one day a month. That being said I think a class about finance would not hurt. I'd also like to see some classes about understanding the media and understanding the difference between fact and opinion and misinformation.

I don't ever remember hearing any parents complaing about curriculum but heard plenty of complaints about specific teachers not being competent. Never heard any complaints about political views.

My kids went to public schools in rural America and went on to excellent colleges. Just my perspective but I had the good fortune to live in California.

 

[SandisLL]

Education is left leaning, even in right leaning states, because educators have a lot of education. The dumber you are, the bigger asshole you are, and the less curious you are about the nature of things, or the more you prefer things over people, the more likely you are to adopt a simple, self agrandizing story about your place in the world.

Educators then have to teach correctly despite the headwind of society's idiots, pricks, morons, assholes, and rich jerkoffs that got their money without feeling concern for people.

1. Why you are thinking that education as paper will ensure job and wealth?
2. Why you are thinking that education is for dumb ppl?

There are jobs and posts you can't get without papers, it is like driver's license....
There are also high level posts where law doesn't requires to have some papers in order to get hired. While ofc if you will not perform as had been excepted, most likely you will be kicked out in trial period.
Trial period to get too you need to pass int... maybe even 3 or more and some tests. Maybe no.

I don't think that someone wants to get service from doctor or tax advisor if they doesn't have experience and all proper documents that they maybe does know something....
Etc.
Or to get taxicab with driver who didn't had passed exam ...this too is some kind of ...education.

 

[Two Crows]

pragerU as source! enough said.

So, you didn't even read a word of the OP?

Why bother to comment?

 

[shinkyoku]

Why bother to comment?

 

[Two Crows]

Absolutely nothing in the OP mentioned PragerU's stance.

I'll repeat; if you are not going to even bother to read the OP, why comment at all?

 

[SandisLL]

For example I'm doing business in construction materials sales field.

We are allowed by law for example to hire as sales manager or director, even CEO or Chairman of board anyone we want to hire and government can't do any bare thing.

While position like forklift operator: law doesn't allow to hire as forklift operator person without proper paper... otherwise EU style fines and long nightmare and headaches.

 

[Sano]

A PragerU video on the values of polarization in education, that's rich. Don't agree with the premise either, that there is no educational authority anymore. A small segment of the population is trying to undermine education period as a means to wedge in their ideological grievances.

 

[Seano]

Absolutely nothing in the OP mentioned PragerU's stance.

I'll repeat; if you are not going to even bother to read the OP, why comment at all?

The subject matter makes them uncomfortable with themselves.

 

[SandisLL]

There is real stuff in real life that sometimes supposedly low value paper is stuff essential to get job contract and sometimes no one will care about degree.....and diploma + degree too.

 

[Two Crows]

The subject matter makes them uncomfortable with themselves.

I have to admit, even with all my time here, the responses showing how many people don't even read the OP is taking me off-guard.

It makes me wonder how much of the discussion is actual discussion, and how much is knee-jerk prepared response.

 

[SandisLL]

There in some areas is one beautiful thing with tourism specialists after covid crisis.
Majority of HR girls are getting a lot if CVs and first criteria now is...experience.
Seasoned specialists with decent formal education sometimes even doesn't list education in CV.
Head for CV, contact details and then ....experience and filled page with experience. They usually are getting calls from HR relatively quickly.

Cos number of ppl with papers is higher than number of jobs offered and number of ppl with experience is lower than number of ppl with diplomas etc in tourism field.

 

[Two Crows]

A PragerU video on the values of polarization in education, that's rich. Don't agree with the premise either, that there is no educational authority anymore. A small segment of the population is trying to undermine education period as a means to wedge in their ideological grievances.

The video is not about polarization in education.

If you don't like the terminology I used, please select whatever you would prefer to represent the majority of the US being dissatisfied with the education system as-is.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1612/education.aspx

Also note the largest area of concern is curriculum, with political agenda being 4th.

 

[shinkyoku]

Absolutely nothing in the OP mentioned PragerU's stance.

I'll repeat; if you are not going to even bother to read the OP, why comment at all?

You post a prageru "informational" vids but try to disconnect it from the lying pieces of junk homeschooling scam rightwing propaganda coprolite that prageru is?

 

[Seano]

I have to admit, even with all my time here, the responses showing how many people don't even read the OP is taking me off-guard.

It makes me wonder how much of the discussion is actual discussion, and how much is knee-jerk prepared response.

They just care what side you're on. They know our education system is in shambles and they know one group is to blame for it and they also know its people like themselves. Either that or they commit to the character so strongly that occasionally something indefensible comes along , like USA education, so rather that try, they make it about you or the source of your post.

 

[Seano]

You post a prageru "informational" vids but try to disconnect it from the lying pieces of junk homeschooling scam rightwing propaganda coprolite that prageru is?

The thread isn't about Prageru.

 

[Two Crows]

You post a prageru "informational" vids but try to disconnect it from the lying pieces of junk homeschooling scam rightwing propaganda coprolite that prageru is?

Did you, or did you not read the OP?

If you saw a video title and had a knee-jerk reaction, that is an understandable mistake.