Few girls are entertaining - Sean O'Malley proposes a separate league for female UFC fighters (WUFC)

The issue isn’t the skill, it’s the physical gifts. I’m sure the skills will improve but what made both Nunes and Valentina so special was the combination of skill and athletic ability, it’s the quick explosive burst that pops out on the TV. There is a hard cap on the number of women with those physical gifts.

There's a hard cap on men with the athletic abilities of professional mma fighters as well {<huh}
The point is to get more of those exceptions into the sport. I know you think you make amazing points but they don't make sense at all.
 
There's a hard cap on men with the athletic abilities of professional mma fighters as well {<huh}
The point is to get more of those exceptions into the sport. I know you think you make amazing points but they don't make sense at all.
My goodness, you totally missed my point. The cap on men who have the physical ability, the speed and power, it’s simply MUCH higher. Men are naturally endowed with these physical gifts due to biological differences. The number of women with the requisite physical attributes is far far far lower. That’s why you can’t just go out and find a dozen Valentina’s or Amanda’s. But you can easily find 3 dozen male LW studs who would all make a killer division.
 
My goodness, you totally missed my point. The cap on men who have the physical ability, the speed and power, it’s simply MUCH higher. Men are naturally endowed with these physical gifts due to biological differences. The number of women with the requisite physical attributes is far far far lower. That’s why you can’t just go out and find a dozen Valentina’s or Amanda’s. But you can easily find 3 dozen male LW studs who would all make a killer division.

Again, you make no sense. You only focus on athletics here. If that was the most important thing then Andrade would be champ. You also only focus on those two when JJ, Weili and Rose are great to watch as well. The only reason we are not seeing more on that level is because the UFC isn't willing to spend some money to recruit talent and build the divisions. If they actually did then we would see better women fights more frequently and people like you would complain less. Look, we'll never see eye to eye on this
 
Its a good idea that will never be done. Men are 90% of the audience and most of us dont like watching girls fight. There are a few exceptions like Joanna and Valentina but Its few and far between. Do them on mid week cards and I bet they would get decent viewership on ESPN+ and would help the actual UFC cards.
 
Again, you make no sense. You only focus on athletics here. If that was the most important thing then Andrade would be champ. You also only focus on those two when JJ, Weili and Rose are great to watch as well. The only reason we are not seeing more on that level is because the UFC isn't willing to spend some money to recruit talent and build the divisions. If they actually did then we would see better women fights more frequently and people like you would complain less. Look, we'll never see eye to eye on this
I NEVER said athletics were the most important thing, don’t straw man my argument. Athletic ability is a necessary but not sufficient attribute to make a compelling fighter. Martial skill is a necessary but not sufficient attribute to make a compelling fighter. The great & entertaining female fighters have and need both attributes to be compelling. Women can improve skills but they can’t change their physiology, there will always be a low limit on the # of women that are sufficiently gifted athletically to produce a compelling cross over fighter. Men have a MUCH higher limit of folks like that therefore a much deeper talent pool. There is a physical limitation at play here that will never be resolved.
 
The UFC is in the buisness of making money
To do that they require stars. People who headline cards and attract viewers. Fighters of repute. Names.
Even if WMMA overall can be pretty low-level.
Stars are as likely to spring from the female divisions as they do the males ones. Valentina, Weili, Namajunas, etc. These are all solid assets of the UFC.
As long as that equation remains I think the UFC will stick with WMMA.
Besides.
You say no to this face.
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"Almost" ? Do the sponsors make up the rest? It is amazing when they occasionally zoom out and you see no one in the stands. I actually really like women's sports, when they are competitive and not watered down.
Just from looking it up quick, it looks like it's anywhere from 1/4 to almost half of yearly revenue. 15 mil from nba, 20 mil from tickets & merch + 25 mil TV contract from ESPN(I'm not sure if that is yearly or spread out through however many seasons).

I do know that my local team(Timberwolves) were bought by a group who's headed by Alex Rodriguez, and part of the deal was they HAD to buy the Lynx(local WNBA team) as well... which I thought was kinda strange
 
The UFC is in the buisness of making money
To do that they require stars. People who headline cards and attract viewers. Fighters of repute. Names.
Even if WMMA overall can be pretty low-level.
Stars are as likely to spring from the female divisions as they do the males ones. Valentina, Weili, Namajunas, etc. These are all solid assets of the UFC.
As long as that equation remains I think the UFC will stick with WMMA.
Besides.
You say no to this face.
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I would say no.
 
But the logic is dumb.

What would happen if the UFC carved out a Midwestern UFC into a spin off organization. And promoted the best midwestern fighters.

Your could say the same about any demographic and the answer would likely be the same

The UFC is the only MMA organization on the planet that draw significant profits.

I don’t think that’s an apples to apples comparison though. No pro sports leagues separate athletes into different competitions based on where they are from. Almost all of them (other than some MMA promotions) separate them by gender.

I don’t personally care either way, I was just clarifying O’Malley’s question.

And I think the subtext of his comment was clear — he thinks that WMMA couldn’t draw on its own and is therefore being carried by the rest of the promotion. This is probably true but I would imagine the comp reflects that.
 
:D You make his point perfectly.
No one watches Invicta.

I'm pretty sure the point he is making is this:
WMMA would have no audience if not for UFC. People watch WMMA because it is part of UFC cards.

At the base level, I disagree with Sean.
I respect committed dedicated female mixed martial artists. I see no harm in providing them a top venue for competition.
The downside is occasional gifs like Rowdy shadow-boxing, etc.
The upside is occasional phenomena like Rose beating two opponents she could never beat. Twice. Each. Still an unbelievable accomplishment.

Reality: No one watches Invicta. Female martial artists should have access and exposure at top venues. There's no harm in it. And UFC does a pretty good job: at least half the fights are real fights between opponents who possess real skills.

Yea this was definitely O’Malley’s point in my opinion.

I’m not sure how I feel about your comment that WMMA fighters “should” have access and exposure though. On one hand, it definitely doesn’t bother me. I don’t think we’re missing out on anything particularly fantastic to make room for these fights. On the other hand…..why? Should the NBA provide a showcase for the countless demographics that have zero representation in the current merit-based system?
 
I don’t think that’s an apples to apples comparison though. No pro sports leagues separate athletes into different competitions based on where they are from. Almost all of them (other than some MMA promotions) separate them by gender.

I don’t personally care either way, I was just clarifying O’Malley’s question.

And I think the subtext of his comment was clear — he thinks that WMMA couldn’t draw on its own and is therefore being carried by the rest of the promotion. This is probably true but I would imagine the comp reflects that.

There are tons of regional sports leagues out there. They separate people by where they are from. It’s actually pretty common.

The prelims couldn’t draw on their own and is supported by the rest of the promotion yet we still have them
 
Good idea. And there should be different rules for WMMA. For instance, no elbows, no knees, no neck cranks-spinal locks, no kneebars, no 5 round fights. Women should be protected.
 
Yea this was definitely O’Malley’s point in my opinion.

I’m not sure how I feel about your comment that WMMA fighters “should” have access and exposure though. On one hand, it definitely doesn’t bother me. I don’t think we’re missing out on anything particularly fantastic to make room for these fights. On the other hand…..why? Should the NBA provide a showcase for the countless demographics that have zero representation in the current merit-based system?

Why? Because some of them want to train and compete in martial arts, and some of them are actually pretty good. Why shut the door just because of their gender? Exclusion based solely on gender is almost always unreasonable and unfair. Hence discrimination laws.

I dismiss your demographic assertion outright. Within bounds of reason, any human can play basketball. If one wants to compete, let them try to make the highest levels if they want to try.
Never institute barriers based on demographics.*
Always uphold barriers based on performance.
Who wants to watch NBA played by a bunch of unskilled poseurs?

Your assertion contains a critique of merit-based systems, and as such, is a veiled argument in support of some form of forced affirmative action.
All forms of communism or socialism are recipes for guaranteed failure.
There should never be any free ride for anyone (excluding handicapped).
Merit-based systems are intelligent and viable.
Socialist systems are never sustainable, and they undermine human ambition.
Without ambition, civilization would not advance.

*Don't redefine demographics. Male is male. Female is female. If you (male) want to compete in a sport but you suck at it, don't seek a competitive advantage by claiming that you are female. That's just fucking stupid. We don't have to be stupid just because a handful of stupid people want everyone else to be stupid too.
 
Great idea .
Love it.
Very excited for this new WUFC league.

I will never watch of course, but I hope they make it.
 
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