Opinion how do you counter this argument?

[KOPPE]

"Every country in the world has been occupied and snatched from its indigenous people.
what Isreal is doing can be viewed as a necessary evil"

 

[Fox by the Sea]

for extra points, how do you without yelling HAMAS

 

[lilelvis]

History didn’t start in 1947

 

[cincymma79]

Oh look another Israel thread

 

[Teppodama]

In answer to your thread titles question by saying "I simply don't care".

 

[Staph infection]

Palestinians are poor fighters? The weaker side always loses.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

Every country was snatched but we do not need to accept it anymore. The international community is strong enough nowadays to avoid the savagery of times past.

 

[PhitePhan]

"Every country in the world has been occupied and snatched from its indigenous people.
what Isreal is doing can be viewed as a necessary evil"

“What, are you some sort of anti-semite terrorist sympathizer?! You must be okay with kids’ heads being chopped off and burned!!”

That’s a pretty effective retort, and one used extensively by the pro-Israel crowd.

 

[hitcher]

"Every country in the world has been occupied and snatched from its indigenous people.
what Isreal is doing can be viewed as a necessary evil"

It’s wrong / manipulative on many levels. Just three notes: there never was a country called Palestine. The first map shows Gaza as Palestine whereas it was part of Egypt. Gaza only was controlled following their „win“ against Egypt. The same is true for West Bank and Jordan.

 

[Samjj]

You can start by stopping posting fake maps

 

[SummerStriker]

We are a global community facing the global threats of climate disaster and ecological destruction. And a global world is unsustainable when we are forced to have war, walls, and destruction. For all of the money wasted on security and war, they could have build a whole new infrastructure to support, happily, the Palestinians in peace.

I don't like using God damned reusable straws when these cunts are burning down whole cities for no reason.

 

[blackheart]

"Every country in the world has been occupied and snatched from its indigenous people.
what Isreal is doing can be viewed as a necessary evil"

How about that statement is just demonstrably untrue? Most countries may have been occupied at some point, but most countries today are populated and governed by the native people of that region. Notable exceptions would be the US, Canada, Australia, israel and New Zealand. But Europe, Asia, and Africa are populated and governed by their native peoples. South America is populated and governed by an amalgamation of its indigenous people, alongside the mass rape offspring of the indigenous and European colonists

 

[650lb Sumo]

Iceland hasn't, unless you count small numbers of Irish monks or its occupation by the UK, since handed over to the USA, both of which are pretty flimsy imo.

 

[Rholk]

Prety easily:
https://honestreporting.com/debunked-those-maps-of-palestinian-land-loss-are-misleading-heres-why/
TLDR: they just smeared green over everything that wasn't exclusively a jewish settlement.

 

[Brigfa2]

How about that statement is just demonstrably untrue? Most countries may have been occupied at some point, but most countries today are populated and governed by the native people of that region. Notable exceptions would be the US, Canada, Australia, israel and New Zealand. But Europe, Asia, and Africa are populated and governed by their native peoples. South America is populated and governed by an amalgamation of its indigenous people, alongside the mass rape offspring of the indigenous and European colonists

You forgot Turkey

 

[Spam On Rye]

We are a global community facing the global threats of climate disaster and ecological destruction. And a global world is unsustainable when we are forced to have war, walls, and destruction. For all of the money wasted on security and war, they could have build a whole new infrastructure to support, happily, the Palestinians in peace.

I don't like using God damned reusable straws when these cunts are burning down whole cities for no reason.

Climate change is just a political tool.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

"Every country in the world has been occupied and snatched from its indigenous people.
what Isreal is doing can be viewed as a necessary evil"

Countries lose land when they start wars.

 

[SummerStriker]

Climate change is just a political tool.

"Just" is carrying a lot of water there. I'd agree it is "a" political pool.

 

[Sinister]

"Every country in the world has been occupied and snatched from its indigenous people.
what Isreal is doing can be viewed as a necessary evil"

Depending on the argument you will always find people who will defend conquering if they subscribe to heriarchichal ideologies. The notion that "God" or "Allah" or who the Hell ever, dictates where people can and cannot live, and what they can and cannot have. Some even propose biological essentialist viewpoints to this: "we must procure this area and its resources because the savages who currently occupy it arent utilizing it properly." And that procurement is often violent as opposed to mutually beneficial, and the "savages" even if they convert and submit to the social hierarchy, become 2nd or 3rd-class citizens with limited rights, most often NO input towards Governance.

The simple reply is:

"It was wrong then and it is wrong now."

Depending on who you're talking to you will likely be met with defensiveness or outright Nationalism. You'll be hit with the old "but it got us what we have now, look at all this splendor, how can you say it eas wrong!?"

"Easy. It was wrong."

Correcting it isnt quite as complicated as wealth-hoarders and their worshippers would make it seem, either. What makes it complicated is people sewing the seeds of otherism (racism, xenophobia, homophibia) so you always have someone to hate while they pick your pockets.

Thinking about this reminds me of a good tune from the 80's featuring this line:

"The time has come, to say fair's fair
To pay the rent, to pay our share
The time has come, a fact's a fact
It belongs to them, let's give it back"



Back-story of the song:

"After Midnight Oil toured through the Outback in 1986, playing to remote Aboriginal communities and seeing first hand the seriousness of the issues in health and living standards, Peter Garrett, Jim Moginie and Rob Hirst wrote "Beds Are Burning" to criticize how said populations were often forcibly removed from their lands, highlighted by the pre-chorus lines "it belongs to them, let's give it back". Considering such a local affair inspired a worldwide hit, Garrett commented "Who would have thought an Aboriginal land rights song would travel that far?"

 

[Sir Punchalot]

That map is an IQ test that you just failed.