Umm.. I don't think they purposefully did it. I think it was a outcome though. Used " powers to be " as a generic statement as everyone still points fingers at who did what here. Won't get a straight answer in regards to who made the decisions. Just a pass the buck game till it gets to well we followed the ( who's guidelines )
I'm Australian.. literally space and a climate that easily permits outdoor activities...... somehow we managed to vaccinate the majority of our country " to stop the spread " before figuring out a respiratory virus spread more in enclosed spaces.... and was dramatically slowed by sunlight and being outdoors........
how stupid can we possibly be ? I mean...... really ?
Sorry, I thought you meant "powers TO be" as a reference to some known future power, as opposed to powers that be.
Canada also has a large rural population and plenty of space, but again, I don't think this idea of just going outside works for the cities of the world, where most people live.
And, I think one of the things that bugs me about much of the outrage of how COVID was handled is the seeming lack of nuance - call it retrospective falacy, maybe. COVID was an unknown quantity, we didn't know how it was going to play out or evolve or what we were really dealing with. Now that we have learned some things, and after the virus mutated multiple times, it's all too easy to look back and say we were dumb. I'd say more than being dumb, we were ignorant. As in, we didn't know.
I would have preferred my olds to take the chance at local fruits shops and butchers where they'd come into contact with about 10 people for their shopping. Rather than hundreds for three times the amount of time in a space thousands enter and exit daily....
No doubt, that sounds pretty reasonable. However, I don't think there are too many situations like that for most people on the planet. For your average citizen of Hong Kong, or Moscow, or whatever, even just GETTING to the small business food vendor (if it even exists) likely requires the use of public transportation and walking around in small, densely-populated areas.
Plenty of talking heads told people once they were vaccinated they could no longer spread covid. Politicians. Media and pharmaceutical spokesmen. Good lord Biden said you won't spread it when vaccinated....
[ sorry about your grandmother mate ]
I remember this, indeed. I don't know the answer to this question, but I do think it' the fundamental question: Did we have reason to believe that vaccinations WOULD reduce the likelihood of transmission, and that turned out to be not true after we had collected data? - OR - did the so-called experts all know this was bullshit all along and somehow got everyone on board with this big lie in order to... kill grandmothers and increase uptake of a useless vaccine? I think the latter of these options is far more unlikely, and requires a pretty massive suspension of disbelief to think the relevant experts in all countries were so easily bamboozled. I do not for one second disbelieve that big pharma would do what it could to make as much money as possible, but I don't know that I go the extra step of believing there was a coordinated intentional misinformation campaign.
Thank you for the condolences. She was quite demented and was taken care of very warmly by the staff at the nursing home, so as far as these things go, at least we've that to be thankful for. She was a very gentle soul, and was easily cared-for at the end.
When you have Pfizer trying to seal data for 75 years.... when it took close to a year for them to directly be asked does it reduce the " spread " with a response of " oh we didn't test for that. We had to move at the speed of the market " are giant red flags. There's countless others as well.
Yes. I'm unfamiliar with these specific happenstances, but of course they are horseshit. Again, though. I can pretty easily understand this as a manifestation of global corporate capitalism. We see nasty shit happening like this every fucking day, virus or not, because of the way the system is set up. Call me jaded, but I dont think it's too hard to believe that a pharmaceutical company did its best to exploit a historically unprecedented "market opportunity" - that's what they are designed to do.
The damage done to the youth is going to be more evident in the future. But by pretty much all metrics - mental health. Drug. Social interactions. Education - physical activity etc etc are all already evident. It may not matter to much as our society seems to be staying more indoors online anyhow.
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Yes - but, to be clear, who did this damage? Was it the virus, or was it the lockdown and other responses? If we had done absolutely nothing, what would have happened?
Sigh... why make it a left or right thing. I'm Australian your Canadian. Fuck the stupid two teams.
I dont think those people aren't collectively more dangerous to collective humanity than the next pandemic will be. The next one will be far worse undoubtedly. Because they shat on a lot of people's trust, there's absolutely no way they'll get the same Uptik on vaccination the next time around .
There also were virologists who opposed to the guidelines mate. So what makes you educated enough to decide which virologist is correct?
Not having a go at you. But I don't particularly care what regular morons do or say.
It bugs when people go on about anti-vaxxers while you can acknowledge allllll the mistakes made.... yet still be more annoyed at " anti-vaxxers and right wing grifters " than those responsible....
Blows my mind.
As the rightwing is as responsible for the dumb decisions in other locations... I mean for fucks sakes the entire world went along with it.... left / right / dictator / communist / religious.
It's not a left or right thing...... at all. It's insane to try reduce everything to those 2 terms.
I dont think it's arguable that the sort of anti-vax, covid-conspiracy messaging is firmly seated in right wing discontent. I'm not trying to make this distinction, but it's pretty obviously a thing. Having said that, I think you're right. The same message can be conveyed without any reference to political ideological tendency.
What is your take on it? as I asked above, what do you think went wrong - given the fact that we didnt know what was going to happen while it was unfolding, allowing for the fact that we were ignorant of things then that we understand now - what should have been done? I've heard you talk about lockdowns being less than ideal, but do you not agree that for people who don't live in rural areas with readily accessible fruit stands, that they probably were very effective at reducing the spread of a virus we had good reason to believe could be far more deadly than it turned out to be?
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