Bizarro world - white guy is world indoor 60m sprint champion

[riddleofsteel]

Those top sprinters and top level NCAA & NFL players are often one and the same. An internet search will provide a long list. Travis Williams, Bob Hayes, Willie Gault, Johnny Jones, et al. I can think of about 15 of them who ran in the Olympics. The list is much longer if you add other events.

No they're not often the same.
The list isn't very long, there are about 30 nfl players that have competed in any modern Olympic games.


Weak troll.

The sprinter doesn't have more time to accelerate. In fact, a sprinter is at his fastest right around 50-60m, maintains that velocity for 15-25 meters, and then decelerates for the last 15-25m.

You referenced the WR set by Maurice Greene in '99 at 6.39m, but how many times did Greene run the 60m race in his career? How many times did Asafa Powell run the 60m? Usain Bolt? Tyson Gay? Did any legitimate elite-level runner focus on the 60m during the prime of his career?

Being a 60m champion is like being an ultra-marathon world champion. You may be winning races, but you're not going against the best runners in the world. You're going against guys who washed out in college or high school but still love to run and enjoy competition. I'd take any of the top 10 finishers in the NYC, Berlin, Chicago, London or Boston Marathon heads up against Scott Jurek, Timothy Olson, or any of the "elite" ultra-marathoners in the world.

Tim Montgomery actively participated in the 60m. In 2002 when he sent the 100m record at 9.78 seconds, he was also competing in the 60m - fastest time from 2000-2002 was 6.46 seconds. Obviously those times were when he was juicing.
Jon Drummon, Tim Harden, Marcus Brunson, Leonard Scott, Justin Gatlin all competed in the 60m. Not exactly wash outs.

 

[Groundswell]

No they're not often the same.
The list isn't very long, there are about 30 nfl players that have competed in any modern Olympic games.

Weak troll.

30 is a long list. Name another professional sport where athletes can list "Olympic Sprinter" as a second job. Dumbass.

 

[therealdope]

30 is a long list. Name another professional sport where athletes can list "Olympic Sprinter" as a second job. Dumbass.

Yes - what other sport can olympic sprinters jump into?


The fact that olympic sprinters can jump into football and make an impact isn't helping your argument. Plus you listed Johnny 'lamb' Jones.

 

[therealdope]

riddleofsteel knows where it's at.

 

[riddleofsteel]

30 is a long list. Name another professional sport where athletes can list "Olympic Sprinter" as a second job. Dumbass.

That is 30 athletes since 1896 for ALL Olympic sports. Given the number of athletes that have played in the NFL and participated in the Olympics that is not a long list.
You're ignorant.

 

[Groundswell]

Yes - what other sport can olympic sprinters jump into?


The fact that olympic sprinters can jump into football and make an impact isn't helping your argument. Plus you listed Johnny 'lamb' Jones.

Because the NFL, like sprinting, is about speed and quickness. Now, you just proved my point. Accidents will happen......

Also, you didn't answer the question. Name another professional sport where athletes can list "Olympic Sprinter" as a second job. Cyclists? Hockey players? Soccer players? You can't. In the face of facts, you act as if you're right. GTFO.

You just keep moving the goal posts in order to maintain a false argument. Originally, the only criteria was that they were NCAA or NFL football players. I addressed that and you scoffed at Jones. Did he or did he not play in the NFL and run in the Olympics? Well, he clearly did. So, you have lost that argument, too.

After implying that sprinters who joined the NFL made little impact (remember your list?), you now claim sprinters have been making an impact in the NFL - as if it's suddenly true and as if that's an easy thing to do. It's not. And, it's also not relevant to the argument. In the face of facts, you're letting your odd disdain for football players get in the way of truth.

Nothing else to say. You can tilt at windmills on your own time, Donald.

 

[Groundswell]

That is 30 athletes since 1896 for ALL Olympic sports. Given the number of athletes that have played in the NFL and participated in the Olympics that is not a long list.
You're ignorant.

Dumb and dumber.

Name another professional sport where athletes can list "Olympic Sprinter" as a second job. You can't.

*Ignrnt list updated.

AMF!

 

[therealdope]

Because the NFL, like sprinting, is about speed and quickness. Now, you just proved my point. Accidents will happen......

Also, you didn't answer the question. Name another professional sport where athletes can list "Olympic Sprinter" as a second job. Cyclists? Hockey players? Soccer players? You can't. In the face of facts, you act as if you're right. GTFO.

You just keep moving the goal posts in order to maintain a false argument. Originally, the only criteria was that they were NCAA or NFL football players. I addressed that and you scoffed at Jones. Did he or did he not play in the NFL and run in the Olympics? Well, he clearly did. So, you have lost that argument, too.

After implying that sprinters who joined the NFL made little impact (remember your list?), you now claim sprinters have been making an impact in the NFL - as if it's suddenly true and as if that's an easy thing to do. It's not. And, it's also not relevant to the argument. In the face of facts, you're letting your odd disdain for football players get in the way of truth.

Nothing else to say. You can tilt at windmills on your own time, Donald.

That water in Philly is messing you up.

 

[senri]

Looks like i'm late to the party as usual. Hold up let me read this whole thread see whats happening.

 

[senri]

Ok, for those not in the know, many 60m elite competitors are specialists in the event. You will have 100m specialists but they don't run times to impressive, they use the opportunity more in preparation for the long annual program to get them ready for the summer season, also to get some race time in and experience in competition.

You will have outliers like greene, or ben johnson who can run elite times in 60m time and 100m,but these guys are built for power. Their training requires they do a short to long program where 60m competition is important, they can also handle the work load due to the bodytype and height, someone tall like asafa and usain would not benefit from this, and in fact they may even get injured training this way. Guys like Usain, and Asafa would be better suited to taper strong till 100m races go full force as they do damage in the later part of the races.

Guys like greene and Ben, both those guys are not built like the typical long limbed sprinter, both those guys have a brachiomorphic body type in other words they have short limbs, it also helps if you are shorter so that you can generate so much power in a short period of time. The fact they ran WR times tells you the kind of power these guys possessed which Charlie Francis, and John Smith used to their advantages to prepare them for the 100m competitions.

Now if you got guys like Asafa and Usain to specialize in 60m sprint, they would not do so good because of not only how they are built but how quickly they can generate power in a short period of time. Frankly though they don't care 100m is the prestigious event and pays the best.

 

[senri]

As for guys in the NFL one will never know for sure how fast some can be, even if they run really fast it will be hard to qualify for the olympics when you have a few spots to take. Guy slike Walter Dix, and someone who is as fast as Tyson Gay will make it very tough. Also in the NFL agility is just as important as speed, so this limits to their focus of running in a straight line.

Those thinking that athletes in the NFL are the best ever because of the 40 yard dash are sadly mistaken as they are conditioned to accelerate really quickly thus limiting their top speed. If they had the talent they would need to dedicate a couple years to see if they would be competitive at the world stage. With how things are in track and field of today NFL guys would have no chance transitioning to track unless they fully commit to a few years, and that's if they have legitimate rare raw talent.

 

[senri]

As for the British Sprinter, this is no surprise 6.49 is a great time and reasonable for a Caucasian person to run under, anything sub 6.5 is impressive in my eyes. I'm not sure of his training history as i just only heard of him today. Also training in Europe is far more advanced, and not as weight lifting based as it is here in North America.

 

[therealdope]

Looks like i'm late to the party as usual.

Next time, get your shit together. I called on you as soon as I saw the thread.

 

[therealdope]

As for guys in the NFL one will never know for sure how fast some can be, even if they run really fast it will be hard to qualify for the olympics when you have a few spots to take. Guy slike Walter Dix, and someone who is as fast as Tyson Gay will make it very tough. Also in the NFL agility is just as important as speed, so this limits to their focus of running in a straight line.

Those thinking that athletes in the NFL are the best ever because of the 40 yard dash are sadly mistaken as they are conditioned to accelerate really quickly thus limiting their top speed. If they had the talent they would need to dedicate a couple years to see if they would be competitive at the world stage. With how things are in track and field of today NFL guys would have no chance transitioning to track unless they fully commit to a few years, and that's if they have legitimate rare raw talent.

Thank you.

Just as a refresher. The post that rustled my jimmies:

make the event 40 yards and invite A-level athletes [ncaa football players] to it and this guy wont even place in the top 10.

 

[senri]

Thank you.

Just as a refresher. The post that rustled my jimmies:

tee hee

 

[therealdope]

tee hee

Come on dude. Ain't it obvious? Forget NFL talent ... just get some college football players and this guy won't even be 10th.

 

[Madmick]

I'm onboard with the notion that this guy is shining in a shallower pool, but yeah, the deep end of that pool isn't coming from the NFL/NCAA, but from the 100m guys. In addition to the top guys like Bolt, I bet you'd see some of the 100m guys who just barely miss the final heat at the Olympics (but are better equipped for success at the shorter distance) gain some ground, too.

Groundswell, what makes the NFL/NCAA so astonishing is how close to these elite sprinters (some even among the elite sprinters) they are while also having to possess that greater emphasis on acceleration that Senri notes; they also must possess agility for directional changes; the neuromuscular coordination to catch the balls (and they're just insane with that these days); the ability to endure increased duress of more repetitions taxing the anaerobic system; their profound strength- including in the upper body; and, finally, the toughness to take hits from NFL linebackers.

But in terms of speed their performance puts them over athletes like soccer players...most are not sprinters. And I don't think any have been individual sprinting champions (except for Bob Hay/Hayes? Did he medal? Too lazy to Google right now).


Also, I just noticed that cockysprinter is active on the board again. Wow. I really haven't been lurking the training forums at all, lately. He and Senri both missed your partyboat.

 

[therealdope]

I'm onboard with the notion that this guy is shining in a shallower pool, but yeah, the deep end of that pool isn't coming from the NFL/NCAA, but from the 100m guys. In addition to the top guys like Bolt, I bet you'd see some of the 100m guys who just barely miss the final heat at the Olympics (but are better equipped for success at the shorter distance) gain some ground, too.

Groundswell, what makes the NFL/NCAA so astonishing is how close to these elite sprinters (some even among the elite sprinters) they are while also having to possess that greater emphasis on acceleration that Senri notes; they also must possess agility for directional changes; the neuromuscular coordination to catch the balls (and they're just insane with that these days); the ability to endure increased duress of more repetitions taxing the anaerobic system; their profound strength- including in the upper body; and, finally, the toughness to take hits from NFL linebackers.

But in terms of speed their performance puts them over athletes like soccer players...most are not sprinters. And I don't think any have been individual sprinting champions (except for Bob Hay/Hayes? Did he medal? Too lazy to Google right now).


Also, I just noticed that cockysprinter is active on the board again. Wow. I really haven't been lurking the training forums at all, lately. He and Senri both missed your partyboat.

Bob Hayes was a gold medalist.

 

[Madmick]

There you go. The second most impressive would have been Bo Jackson who ran a 10.00s flat when Calvin Johnson held the WR at 9.93. And that's why Bo is Bo, and will forever be among those first names on the tip of the tongue every time a "Who's the Greatest Pure Athlete" thread or discussion comes up. Just fucking nuts.

 

[therealdope]

There you go. The second most impressive would have been Bo Jackson who ran a 10.00s flat when Calvin Johnson held the WR at 9.93. And that's why Bo is Bo, and will forever be among those first names on the tip of the tongue every time a "Who's the Greatest Pure Athlete" thread or discussion comes up. Just fucking nuts.

Calvin Smith?