Bizarro world - white guy is world indoor 60m sprint champion

[Madmick]

Calvin Smith?

LOL, I'm on my A-Game this evening.

 

[therealdope]

LOL, I'm on my A-Game this evening.

Your A-game is D-level.

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In a B-level thread

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With C-level (can-level) posters

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[Sivo The Ram]

kinda depressing that so many people now a days take stereotypes as facts

 

[Madmick]

kinda depressing that so many people now a days take stereotypes as facts

No, the depressing part is the same that it has always been: that people misunderstand that stereotypes (even ones built on solid empirical evidence, such as the notion that black men are faster) reflect a pattern, or a trend, and patterns & trends have outliers. It's why science confounds so many people who are too ignorant to understand that science almost never deals in absolutes; they criticize the abstract without reading the body, and without understanding the limitations of science: something scientists themselves quite astutely understand. In other words, laymen rarely understand what is even being indicated.

 

[kjg1672]

There are a lot more speedy white WRs in the NFL now. Could be a caucasian comeback.

 

[senri]

There are a lot more speedy white WRs in the NFL now. Could be a caucasian comeback.

ever since christophe lemaitre broke ten seconds white people have been believing more in their capabilities to run fast. It's about time, frankly though europe really is quite progressive as far as athletic development programs is concerned.

 

[therealdope]

ever since christophe lemaitre broke ten seconds white people have been believing more in their capabilities to run fast. It's about time, frankly though europe really is quite progressive as far as athletic development programs is concerned.

Nothing bugs me more than "80s& 90s, Black guy and White guy" stereotypes. It's a great outlet for racist views.

 

[armbarforhire]

There you go. The second most impressive would have been Bo Jackson who ran a 10.00s flat when Calvin Johnson held the WR at 9.93. And that's why Bo is Bo, and will forever be among those first names on the tip of the tongue every time a "Who's the Greatest Pure Athlete" thread or discussion comes up. Just fucking nuts.

Bo was so "explosive" his hips detonated by themselves when he was finally stopped to a halt.

 

[hoonosewot88]

Ok, for those not in the know, many 60m elite competitors are specialists in the event. You will have 100m specialists but they don't run times to impressive, they use the opportunity more in preparation for the long annual program to get them ready for the summer season, also to get some race time in and experience in competition.

You will have outliers like greene, or ben johnson who can run elite times in 60m time and 100m,but these guys are built for power. Their training requires they do a short to long program where 60m competition is important, they can also handle the work load due to the bodytype and height, someone tall like asafa and usain would not benefit from this, and in fact they may even get injured training this way. Guys like Usain, and Asafa would be better suited to taper strong till 100m races go full force as they do damage in the later part of the races.

Guys like greene and Ben, both those guys are not built like the typical long limbed sprinter, both those guys have a brachiomorphic body type in other words they have short limbs, it also helps if you are shorter so that you can generate so much power in a short period of time. The fact they ran WR times tells you the kind of power these guys possessed which Charlie Francis, and John Smith used to their advantages to prepare them for the 100m competitions.

Now if you got guys like Asafa and Usain to specialize in 60m sprint, they would not do so good because of not only how they are built but how quickly they can generate power in a short period of time. Frankly though they don't care 100m is the prestigious event and pays the best.

This is all basically what i assumed to be the case when i started reading this thread, but on the bolded part, i gotta reiterate this guys post from earlier:

http://speedendurance.com/2012/01/30/indoor-60-meters-where-are-the-fast-times/

If Bolt isn't specialised or suited to 60m and wouldn't win it, how is he running a 6.29 60m in an event where he's still got another 40m to go? Surely by definition that proves he's capable of rinsing the 60m guys?

Not being an asshole or anything, i just genuinely don't know. Are the split times BS or is there something different in the start of a 100m to a 60m that allows him to do that? Cos that totally went against my expectations.

 

[ColonelAngus1]

This is all basically what i assumed to be the case when i started reading this thread, but on the bolded part, i gotta reiterate this guys post from earlier:



If Bolt isn't specialised or suited to 60m and wouldn't win it, how is he running a 6.29 60m in an event where he's still got another 40m to go? Surely by definition that proves he's capable of rinsing the 60m guys?

Not being an asshole or anything, i just genuinely don't know. Are the split times BS or is there something different in the start of a 100m to a 60m that allows him to do that? Cos that totally went against my expectations.

Bolt is just so fast it doesn't matter. He's fast enough to run the 60m, but he's really better suited to the 100m and the 200m because he is able to maintain his top speed longer than any other runner. I'd actually love to see him dedicate himself to the 400m. With his speed and long stride, I think it could be his best event.

 

[hoonosewot88]

Bolt is just so fast it doesn't matter. He's fast enough to run the 60m, but he's really better suited to the 100m and the 200m because he is able to maintain his top speed longer than any other runner. I'd actually love to see him dedicate himself to the 400m. With his speed and long stride, I think it could be his best event.

It's not just Bolt, according to that table all of the 100m champs from the last however many years have run their 60m splits significantly faster than the current 60m world champs time. Surprised me.

 

[senri]

This is all basically what i assumed to be the case when i started reading this thread, but on the bolded part, i gotta reiterate this guys post from earlier:



If Bolt isn't specialised or suited to 60m and wouldn't win it, how is he running a 6.29 60m in an event where he's still got another 40m to go? Surely by definition that proves he's capable of rinsing the 60m guys?

Not being an asshole or anything, i just genuinely don't know. Are the split times BS or is there something different in the start of a 100m to a 60m that allows him to do that? Cos that totally went against my expectations.

Asafa powells best is 6.50, and he is stronger and more powerful then bolt in early parts of the races consistently. Preparations is key. For both Asafa and Usain to prove me wrong they would need to specialize in 60m, but their 100m would suffer

they would run very fast 60m times as you can see no denying that, but when it comes to scheduling they wouldn't peak in time due to their body types. Hence they suffer during indoor season because they can't recover fast enough to run those fast times to begin with. They need longer peaks to have good performance chance of injury is riskier because training for 60m is more intense during the early stage for peaking purposes and it would be hard on taller athletes, not saying it can't be done but it would be tough on their bodies and assuming they didn't dial in their work capacity would not run those 60m times indoor as they do outdoor. It's never really something to think about in athletics because everyone wants to win the 100m.

Your 60m is also faster outdoors due to the wind (assuming you catch a tailwind). As a general rule you add a little time (.10) to your best outdoor 60m in order to have a gauge as to how fast you would run indoors.

 

[senri]

Bolt is just so fast it doesn't matter. He's fast enough to run the 60m, but he's really better suited to the 100m and the 200m because he is able to maintain his top speed longer than any other runner. I'd actually love to see him dedicate himself to the 400m. With his speed and long stride, I think it could be his best event.

Bolt is suited for the 200,400m. 100m is a suprise to everyone in the track world. Even to Bolt himself lol.

 

[therealdope]

This is all basically what i assumed to be the case when i started reading this thread, but on the bolded part, i gotta reiterate this guys post from earlier:



If Bolt isn't specialised or suited to 60m and wouldn't win it, how is he running a 6.29 60m in an event where he's still got another 40m to go? Surely by definition that proves he's capable of rinsing the 60m guys?

Not being an asshole or anything, i just genuinely don't know. Are the split times BS or is there something different in the start of a 100m to a 60m that allows him to do that? Cos that totally went against my expectations.

Indoor tracks are temporary and nowhere near as fast as permanent, modern outdoor Plexitrac with EPDM. That rubicon was crossed at the 1991 World Championships.

 

[Kevin Rudd]

Asafa powells best is 6.50, and he is stronger and more powerful then bolt in early parts of the races consistently. Preparations is key. For both Asafa and Usain to prove me wrong they would need to specialize in 60m, but their 100m would suffer

they would run very fast 60m times as you can see no denying that, but when it comes to scheduling they wouldn't peak in time due to their body types. Hence they suffer during indoor season because they can't recover fast enough to run those fast times to begin with. They need longer peaks to have good performance chance of injury is riskier because training for 60m is more intense during the early stage for peaking purposes and it would be hard on taller athletes, not saying it can't be done but it would be tough on their bodies and assuming they didn't dial in their work capacity would not run those 60m times indoor as they do outdoor. It's never really something to think about in athletics because everyone wants to win the 100m.

Your 60m is also faster outdoors due to the wind (assuming you catch a tailwind). As a general rule you add a little time (.10) to your best outdoor 60m in order to have a gauge as to how fast you would run indoors.

I don't think Powell is necessarily more powerful in the early stages of a race but because of Jusain's height he has to generate significantly more power than his shorter rivals to gain a comparable start. I think if you analysed the bio-mechanics both would be very comparable in terms of power.

However once he gets going his stride length is so much longer than everyone else it becomes a race for second.

 

[Madmick]

It definitely appears like Bolt would be competitive, but perhaps not the champion. Who knows.

 

[senri]

I don't think Powell is necessarily more powerful in the early stages of a race but because of Jusain's height he has to generate significantly more power than his shorter rivals to gain a comparable start. I think if you analysed the bio-mechanics both would be very comparable in terms of power.

However once he gets going his stride length is so much longer than everyone else it becomes a race for second.

True his leg length is longer and has to generate more power then Asafa and everyone else but that is already evident by his ridiculous CNS abilities, however Asafa in the gym is stronger, and on early parts of the races can maintain faster starts then his rival annually. Bolts stride length is ridiculous because of his height and body type, he can cover a lot of distance when he gets momentum going and he has a good top speed. Power and equally strength is gauged by the early meters in shorter distances, including the start, and Asafa bests Bolt consistently throughout the season in this regard, Asafa just fucks up in the finals because he chokes like no other. This is no matter to Bolt as aft 10-20m you have the rest of the race and he has the later distances covered lol.

When Bolt has peaked, he is the best in all domains but it takes awhile for him to get there.

Now when both athletes have peaked, Usain owns asafa in all domains as i said before, but off season Asafa can maintain his power for a little longer throughout the whole season. If you think about it Usain is really limited by how fast he can run annually, due to his recuperative abilities. Guys that tall have hard time recovering, period. When they compete with the smaller guys in training they often get injured, bouts of sprinting they need to take it easy on. Fortunately for Usains sake, he is lazy lol.

It's a tossup in 60m for Both guys because a coach dealing with athletes like this, has to really be careful with them running competitively the 60m as their chances of injury is greater then a shorter person. It does become a tossup. Frankly it isn't worth it so nobody thinks too much about it.

 

[Uptown Swinger]

Cliffs?
What's going on itt.

 

[therealdope]

Cliffs?
What's going on itt.

Racial stereotypes still exist in some people's minds. :icon_sad:

 

[Madmick]

Racial stereotypes still exist in some people's minds. :icon_sad:

My older brother has been involved with a black girl (who is awesome, btw) for about the past 2 years. On his last trip, though, he said, "Sometimes I wish I had your fight training, so maybe her daughter would respect me more." When I inquired what the hell that had to do with anything, he said, "She doesn't care that I can help her do her math homework. All she wants to do when I pick her up from school is talk about fights. I try to explain to her why none of this shit is important in the big picture, and she just writes me off as this soft white boy. She doesn't think white guys can fight."

Understandably, that set me off a bit. When I settled down I told him, simply, to respond with facts; the truth is unequivocally not on her side. I told him to remind her that the HW category is the only category in fighting that isn't a handicap, and therefore the only true throne, and that he should inform her that there has never been a black man ranked #1 in MMA in the history of the sport (no, not even Maurice Smith when he was UFC champ...PRIDE HW's were clearly king, then); that Maurice Smith is the only black man to have ever held a UFC belt; that, in fact, a 2011 piece Sherdog did on the Top 10 all-time HW fighters there wasn't a single black man listed; that the current HW Top 10 is a roughly equal split of white, black, and Latino; that none of the current major/minor orgs have a black HW champion right now; that the greatest champion in HW history, by overwhelming consensus, is white; and that if she tries shifting the focus to boxing that the two top-ranked HW boxers of the past decade who have utterly dominated their competition are a pair of white brothers from the Ukraine who both hold Ph.D's.

It's not like she's alone in this guilt. I remember back up until around 2007ish (and all along up until that point) my father still wouldn't take MMA seriously, and though he wouldn't say it in such precise terms, it was because he immediately assumed that the only reason he was seeing all these white guys (especially ones with belts around their waist) that the sport was therefore a joke. LMFAO, now that I think about it, my father was the original "D-level" troll.