It is a poor comparison. Unlike the rubber guard the berimbolo has been proven to be effective at the highest levels of BJJ.
This. Also, it relies on solid open guard fundamentals, and isn't really that attribute-based
It is a poor comparison. Unlike the rubber guard the berimbolo has been proven to be effective at the highest levels of BJJ.
Speaking from the perspective of a Thai boxer, it would be super easy to teep/stomp to the body, with possible DQ by accidentally hitting the head or groin. Plus, as soon as they turn over, switch roundhouse to kick their legs away.Why hasn't it made the transition to MMA? Serious question.
Speaking from the perspective of a Thai boxer, it would be super easy to teep/stomp to the body, with possible DQ by accidentally hitting the head or groin. Plus, as soon as they turn over, switch roundhouse to kick their legs away.
PRIDE rules = fatality.
That sounds entirely unfeasible.
How?
Edit: No gi, someone determined to stand, 0 reason to engage in the grappling...
At the very least, you'll be the victim of some GnP.
Why hasn't it made the transition to MMA? Serious question. I'm a judoka/wrestler whose experience of BJJ is by teaching takedowns at a BJJ club, and it doesn't seem to be that common at that club. Is it a gi/no-gi thing?
My thought from watching you-tube videos of it is that it leaves you too exposed to a sprawl/scramble for MMA, but from the quotes above I'm guessing that might just be my prejudices.
the whole point of the DLR guard is distance control and to minimise strike damage, I dare you to try and throw a punch against someone with a good DLR, even in no-gi without having your base compromised
how are you seriously going to try and stomp someone's body when your one standing leg is being pushed down the ground hard?
I'll concede for now, because for the life of me, I can't find any footage of ANYONE trying it in MMA.
please show me how you sprawl out of a berimbolo. i'm very curious.
My issue with it is that it takes *alot* of reps to use effectively so that from a hobby blue/purple pov the rest of the guys game is limited.
That's basically true of every technique.
Also, unlike some people in this thread I don't think berimbolo is good for nogi/mma. It's much harder to make your opponent fall(but not impossible) without the gi, and without a belt/pants to grab you can't maintain the position. It was mentioned that you can turn it into a scramble, but on the whole I think it's just not a very strong technique without the gi(this is different than say deep half which was mentioned earlier, deep half has shown itself to be as good/better than regular half in MMA and it doesn't lose nearly as much when you take off the gi).
I'm not saying it's good for mma, but I do think we will see it every now and then.
My issue with it is that it takes *alot* of reps to use effectively so that from a hobby blue/purple pov the rest of the guys game is limited.
That's because no one's tried it, partly because of the way MMA fighters train, and partly because most of the grapplers who are actually very capable at pulling it off are more capable at attacking other techniques.
Which leads to the next question (again, from someone who only knows the berimbolo from videos); given the number of excellent BJJ competitors who also do MMA, you'd expect them to be eager to try in MMA a technique which, from what I've read in this thread, is so successful in BJJ that the rules had to be changed to discourage it.
That they haven't been trying it in the cage suggests they haven't had success with it in MMA training. Your point that they're capable of other techniques (and so presumably using them) suggests those other techniques are more useful for MMA; what is it about the berimbolo that diminishes it from extremely effective in BJJ to marginally effective in MMA?
Is the ability to grip pants (as opposed to cup/grabbing the leg) that important in the technique?
Ironically enough, this thread has interested me in the technique; next time I'm teaching (obviously throws/takedowns not groundwork) at the BJJ club I'll ask the instructor for a bit of a lesson in it.