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Conor showed a sub defense hole early in his career and that never changed later on. Whether that is the case or not in Tom’s case as well we’ll see.

Probably the same way Stuart Austin did. Tom showed poor TDD in that fight. He was hip tossed by a much smaller man and submitted later in the fight. Tom’s sub defense isn’t perfect.

Alex challenged for the itshowtime title in 2012. That was the most prestigious belt at 85kg at the time and lost to Jason Wilnis. How was he only upper mid then?

Jan landing less takedowns on Izzy than Whittaker and Vettori did doesn’t make Jan a stellar grappler or one of merit. Jiri submitting a gassed 40 year old doesn’t make him a fantastic wrestler either. Let me repeat, everyone who has attempted a takedown on Alex has gotten him down. If everyone...

He won in spite of his grappling flaws. These are strikers that are logging in control time on him. Not legitimate grapplers.

Jan had 7:30 seconds of control time in a 15 minute fight and Jiri had 2:45 of control time for a 9 minute fight. Adesanya had 6 minutes of control in a fight he wasn’t spamming takedowns at all. These are all strikers who in no way have elite takedowms. alex's counter grappling isnt pretty...

He does his best to me as unlikeable as possible jeez.

You think Alex has solid counter grappling? Every fighter who has attempted a takedown against Alex has gotten him down, and Alex has yet to fight a strong grappler. He’s pretty bad on the ground.

Because aldo had a ton of injuries and couldn't kick like he used to.

Alex only landed one strike to the head as well standing. The rest he landed were on the ground. They both landed a lead hook on each other standing.

I'm glad my bias towards aldo is legitimized by his number of title defenses. Including the WEC he has 9. That's almost twice as many as Volk and 3 time as many as Holloway. Crazy impressive.

I never really thought of it like that, but there’s definitely some merit to what you’re saying. Alex looked really bad in the Bruno Silva fight. The thing is, power is all one needs. It’s okay to be deficient elsewhere if you can crack. Many have gone a long way relying on their power. I will...

Hill reminds me of Luke Rockhold a ton in regards to how they go about expressing their level of belief in themselves. It sounds like he’s overlooking Alex like crazy.

This is talking about greatness. The champ with a third as many title defenses is not greater than the champ with 3x as many defenses.

Aldo has far more defenses as a champion, though. How long someone reigns over a division factors in greatly in these convos. Aldo has 3x as many defenses as Holloway does. Aldo has 9 if you include the wec and Holloway only has 3.

That’s a fair argument, however I believe longevity plays a larger role in greatness when it comes to these discussions.

Aldo still has the most consecutive FW title defenses in UFC history. His WEC title defenses make that title reign even more impressive. My vote is still for Aldo, but that’s mainly because he resembles my dad lol. <mma3>.

Can you blame them? Alex and Jones have accomplished a ton.

that makes sense. it's not as if stipe pulled out of the fight. it'd be messed up to stipe if it's jones who pulled out and then stipe gets leapfrogged when he did nothing wrong.

You’re welcome. Both fights are definitely entertaining. Alex’s 2012 itshowtime title fight against Jason Wilnis was definitely a greener Alex. He was still competing at the highest level at that point but he gets so much better once itshowtime turns into glory. Alex really hits his stride in...