383 fights analyzed

[peregrine]

"The usefulness of grappling seems to resemble more Judo than bjj... takedowns being the big factor then fast paced groundwork"

https://rollingaroundbjj.com/fights-end-up-on-ground/

 

[Normot]

Why is a fight between two untrained people relevant? Thats like saying the best wrestling move is stalling out and never taking a good shot and running out of breath after a minute because thats what happens when two untrained guys try and wrestle.

 

[peregrine]

Why is a fight between two untrained people relevant? Thats like saying the best wrestling move is stalling out and never taking a good shot and running out of breath after a minute because thats what happens when two untrained guys try and wrestle.

That's a valid point.
Statistics are useful to build metrics and a direction for further investigation and potential interests.

What did you think of the dispelling of the myth that x% of fights go to the ground?

 

[rmongler]

Why is a fight between two untrained people relevant?

Differences between the ease with which a less practiced person may accomplish various feats are not unrelated to differences between the ease with which a more practiced person may accomplish various feats.

To illustrate meaning: suppose you have a one yard, three yard, and five yard pit to jump, and you tell a bunch unathletic people to go across; most people will probably pick the one yard pit, because it's easier. A champion long jumper could certainly jump a lot further than any of those people; he might well be able to clear the five yard pit even; but taking the one yard pit would still be easier for him all the same, just like it is for the rest of the group too.

 

[yetanother]

Differences between the ease with which a less practiced person may accomplish various feats are not unrelated to differences between the ease with which a more practiced person may accomplish various feats.

To illustrate meaning: suppose you have a one yard, three yard, and five yard pit to jump, and you tell a bunch unathletic people to go across; most people will probably pick the one yard pit, because it's easier. A champion long jumper could certainly jump a lot further than any of those people; he might well be able to clear the five yard pit even; but taking the one yard pit would still be easier for him all the same, just like it is for the rest of the group too.

That's a stupid analogy.
That's comparing the same feat with tree degrees of difficulty.
Like taking down a drunk whore/a catch wrestling nerd/an heavy weight olympic gold medalist in freestyle.

 

[CFGroup]

B smart!

Train Judo!

End of story!

That was easy!

Your welcome!

 

[Zankou]

That was actually a pretty good analysis. Solid arguments.

 

[lakamas]

because most people dont train grappling and they played too much tekken and street fighter

 

[rmongler]

That's a stupid analogy.
That's comparing the same feat with tree degrees of difficulty.
Like taking down a drunk whore/a catch wrestling nerd/an heavy weight olympic gold medalist in freestyle.

Or different feats against the same target.

 

[yetanother]

Or different feats against the same target.

Nope. Feat = jump X meters. Targets = different distances you need to jump.

 

[rmongler]

Nope. Feat = jump X meters. Targets = different distances you need to jump.

You would assert that it is just as easy to do one thing to someone, as it would be to do anything else against them? That's the point im talking about here. The different sized 'holes' here refer to different procedures or pathways you could take in an engagement against someone.

 

[SandisLL]

because most people dont train grappling and they played too much tekken and street fighter

Street fighters seen in youtube in 90 % chases are with far worse technique than high school boy from middle class ..
Moves for takedowns used by wrestlers or boxing techniques used by boxers for self defense doesn't resemble sport rules.
Because wrestler most likely will go for attack from side after move for attack started and use skills taught in destabilisation drills, a boxer will not hestitate to use elbows with high efficiency, including 6 → 12 and 12 →6 clock like.
Average other arts adepts will apply techniques against fingers etc too.
Beating with open hands technique might be done sometimes even during roll on the ground.
And they will not prefer kick with shins and express loud Kiai or use Kata demonstration for grading comitee's panel.

 

[meauneau]

What I got from this is that when one of the 2 involved in a fight wants to take the fight to the ground then there is a 90% of this happening. But if non of the people involved have the intention to take it to the ground then the percentage of fights hitting the ground is way less.

This tells us nothing we don't already know: fights involving a trained grappler will end up on the ground more often than not.

 

[SandisLL]

This tells us nothing we don't already know: fights involving a trained grappler will end up on the ground more often than not.

If 1 vs 1 ; for example 170lbs trained grappler and 170lbs noob with 0 any training in combat arts plus weaker than this grappler and not faster than this grappler ;...
then I think that this grappler most likely will be able to deliver this opponent to ground in 0, 5 - 2, 5 seconds while this grappler will keep standup position if wished.
On the ground will be only this noob.

 

[peregrine]

WoW...^
What it does assert is that there is an importance of takedown offense and defense.