Opinion America needs a centrist party badly

[Darkballs]

You can't be a Christian and be a Democrat.

Then explain to us how Republican Christians support a guy who paid to fuck a porn star while married, and can't go a day in his life without lying? Because it seems like your version of true christians, sure do turn a blind eye whenever convenient.

Hell, the majority of christian cultures throughout history had no issue with terminating a pregnancy before "quickining," (viability). The notion that the moment a guy blew a load, he created a jesus soul, is more of a medieval invention, and not part of any biblical doctrine.

Do you take such adamant positions against the consumption of shellfish? Or do you just waive selective passages around to support ideas that you can't defend on their own merit? Face it, virtually no modern American's follow strict biblical doctrine (itself established hundreds of years after christ). If they did, the world would rightly consider them loons.

 

[lfd0311]

Then explain to us how Republican Christians support a guy who paid to fuck a porn star while married, and can't go a day in his life without lying? Because it seems like your version of true christians, sure do turn a blind eye whenever convenient.

Hell, the majority of christian cultures throughout history had no issue with terminating a pregnancy before "quickining," (viability). The notion that the moment a guy blew a load, he created a jesus soul, is more of a medieval invention, and not part of any biblical doctrine.

Do you take such adamant positions against the consumption of shellfish? Or do you just waive selective passages around to support ideas that you can't defend on their own merit? Face it, virtually no modern American's follow strict biblical doctrine (itself established hundreds of years after christ). If they did, the world would rightly consider them loons.

Dude, Trump hasn't been President for 2 years now, move on with your life. On top of that, people like you love to conflate "Christians" and "The Right". There are tons of Never Trump Republicans, precisely for the reasons you just mentioned. Again, these are basic logical conclusions that just breeze right past you guys on a daily basis.

Do you take such adamant positions against the consumption of shellfish? Or do you just waive selective passages around to support ideas that you can't defend on their own merit? Face it, virtually no modern American's follow strict biblical doctrine (itself established hundreds of years after christ). If they did, the world would rightly consider them loons

I would love to know how this applies to me exactly. Oh, that's right because I said the word "Christian" you assumed I am one and are flying off the handle in a typical Leftist rant about Christians.

 

[SandisLL]

Well, if about christianity....
If guy regrets his sins and will admit that this was wrong...
then...ask and you will be....( you know )...
Economically centrists outlook looks good....
Not too much for very rich oligarchs....
Not allow below middle class local residents to starve...

Politically....
I don't know, it depends....
Stuff in mass media is for mainstream consumers .....
When we had PM nationalist right oriented guy....
Relationships with Russia were IRL good.
Now...
municipality IRL ruled by centrists & " greens " see some monuments as bad and...almost 0 noise and waste in city as....cool stuff.
With this city council we don't need Putin and tanks, they will do deHumanisation process better than Hitler was able to do and with 0 violence....
Damn...

 

[Darkballs]

There are tons of Never Trump Republicans, precisely for the reasons you just mentioned. Again, these are basic logical conclusions that just breeze right past you guys on a daily basis.

Well that's some top notch idiocy.

So some republicans could still be christians, because some of them might not......

But every single democrat can't be a christian, because they all must....

So how old are you then champ? Most people are at least able to notice blatant double standards by their early teens.

 

[SandisLL]

What kind of double standards?
U think christians are enemies?
They like muslims will not care about your skin color.
You just need to accept flowcharts and their core and after this only God will be your Judge. No one else.

 

[lfd0311]

Well that's some top notch idiocy.

So some republicans could still be christians, because some of them might not......

But every single democrat can't be a christian, because they all must....

So how old are you then champ? Most people are at least able to notice blatant double standards by their early teens.

20% of the Republican Party identifies as not Christian. That's 36 million people. It's almost like you need to go back and read what I read.

 

[squeezewax]

The so-called Left and Right are batting for the same team, they are not different.
By the end of this decade the present political systems we have around the world will be no more anyway.

 

[Darkballs]

20% of the Republican Party identifies as not Christian. That's 36 million people. It's almost like you need to go back and read what I read.

And I'm sure there exists a percentage of democrats who would deny gays the right to marry. Certainly less than republicans, given the increase in average education level.

But that's besides the point. Your argument is that no Democrat could be a true christian, because they must all support the gays and that makes it impossible for them to be christian. And this is stupid because there are countless tenants in the bible that are ignored by both parties. And that's because the document itself was the result of bronze age nonsense. And a good example of that would be our shellfish argument. As not a single republican has come forth with a genuine effort to restrict the sale and consumption of such, while the bible is crystal clear that it's a big no-no.

So how then can republicans claim to be the true christians, when they are just as likely to ignore those provisions in the bible?

The truth is the answer to what makes a true christian is in no way concrete, as you have countless interpretations of what a true christian would be. Republicans just like to wrap themselves in that banner of righteousness, often just to push messages they cannot defend.

The very notion that we are less christian today, as opposed to some other era in America, turns again on a shady definition of true christianity. You saw that pretty starkly during the civil war, as both sides of the political spectrum claimed they were following biblical teachings for their positions on slavery. The left pointed to passages of treating your fellow man with respect as proof that they were more christian. The right pointed to passages in both the old and new testaments that permitted slavery, to declare that they were in fact the more christian party.

So the notion that any democrat or republican can't be a true christian, is a pretty stupid argument to have, given that neither seems to uphold actual biblical theory (thank god).

And given that our founding fathers worked so hard to separate our church and state, I think your notion of throwing out such an insult is, most tellingly, un-american.

 

[mkess101]

Do you think it could materially affect her chances? I can't imagine how it would.

Too early to tell. She's young enough that we won't know just how good she is for another couple years. Kids sometimes are phenoms and burn out or come back to the pack a bit as they get to high school age. She's making national cut times now, so she's very good at her age group.

As for the odds of this issue directly affecting her chances? IDK. There's one kid from a town near us that is transitioning allegedly. The kid is 2 years older than my daughter so they don't compete vs each other. But anyway the kid is pretty good vs other boys. Not elite, but pretty fast. But the times vs girls would be elite for sure. So if course there's some drama about who the kid should compete against.

If anti-discriminatory policy was enacted to where it was a simple "faith based" litmus test on if m to f transition...with the cost of college yeah I could see a statistically significant enough amount of boys become girls if scholarships are on the line. Esp if they just have to say "I'm a girl now". Then after their swim career is over they "transition" back. In fact, if there's no judgement and we just believe whoever, why can't they decide they're a woman only when they enter the pool to compete? Gender fluidity doesn't have rigid time standards that I know of. Switching back and forth seems on the table I guess?

Some might think that's absurd and extremely unlikely. Maybe. But depending on what policy looks like, why wouldn't people try to game the system if they make it that easy? Esp if maybe it's a family with very tight finances.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

If anti-discriminatory policy was enacted to where it was a simple "faith based" litmus test on if m to f transition...with the cost of college yeah I could see a statistically significant enough amount of boys become girls if scholarships are on the line. Esp if they just have to say "I'm a girl now". Then after their swim career is over they "transition" back. In fact, if there's no judgement and we just believe whoever, why can't they decide they're a woman only when they enter the pool to compete? Gender fluidity doesn't have rigid time standards that I know of. Switching back and forth seems on the table I guess?

Some might think that's absurd and extremely unlikely. Maybe. But depending on what policy looks like, why wouldn't people try to game the system if they make it that easy? Esp if maybe it's a family with very tight finances.

Bro...do you think that there is a statistically significant amount of poor, evil parents out there that would put their children on hormones and have them live life as a female all in an attempt to game the system for them to MAYBE have a chance at getting a swimming scholarship for their kid..?
And that these high school boys that aren't really transgendered would give up their chance at normal friendships and relationships to keep this ruse going? Really?
Bro.

 

[jeremyemilio]

There is no major policy difference between any administration during your entire lifetime. Both parties are servants to their favored corporate oligarchs.

The only difference is cultural war bullshit wedge issues that only idiots like you care about.

Sure. But corporatism isn't really a right wing thing. It's a thing of its own.

 

[spamking]

Progressives and Democrats aren't really the same thing. What we're seeing is a Progressive takeover of the Democratic Party, leaving actual Democrats no real place to go.

Fair enough. Could you say the same thing about extreme right Republicans? I don't see myself aligning with all of the very far right folks in the party today.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

The right has barely moved. The left has sprinted in the wrong direction so everything normal now seems 'far right'.

Men can't have babies. Far right.
Trannies shouldn't dance in front of children. Far right.
Just leave us alone. Far right.

The right has actually moved quite a bit to the center imo. for legalization of marijuana and Trump was the first presidfent to be pro-gay marriage before enterring office.

 

[oldshadow]

The largest part of the right has moved toward the center and even left. However there is a push to counter the heavy swing left by the democrats by a vocal part of the Republicans to go right again.

Most Republicans believe abortion needs to be legal with restrictions. Rape. Mothers health and such.

Most are ok with gay marriage but the crazy shit now is just that crazy and pushed by the democrats to get as crazy as possible and young as possible.

Most want a safety net for the working poor but not a free ride for people that want to take advantage.

Most want health care reform but the overwhelming majority have employees health care that is good but could be better. They see how the government has fucked up the V. A. and other programs and don't want that.

I can keep going but most here are going to stop reading after the first statement anyway.

 

[Zazen]

The right has actually moved quite a bit to the center imo. for legalization of marijuana and Trump was the first presidfent to be pro-gay marriage before enterring office.

I think they are still pretty far from these too things to be honest. LGBT is under attack by the right currently and what Trump says and does are two different things. His problem is surrounding himself with nutty evangelicals like Mike Pence who have an awful record with gay and transgender people.

I don't know about Trump's marijuana position but it is worrisome that the current most popular Republican DeSantis is very much against weed legalization. He describes its smell as a putrid stench and doesn't want it around. It is possible he will reverse his stance if he runs against a democrat that is for it. Stats have shown that Americans mostly agree on legalizing it. I just find it bizarre that DeSantis hasn't taken much heat yet for his stance.

 

[Zazen]

Fair enough. Could you say the same thing about extreme right Republicans? I don't see myself aligning with all of the very far right folks in the party today.

That guy is gaslighting. The progressives have taken over? They hold almost no power in office. Bernie is the most well known progressive candidate and he can't get shit done. The administration is center-right. They only pretend to be progressive by saying, "hey, look how progressive we are! We just put the first African-American in this position blah blah blah!" In reality they are completely beholden to the donor class and their policies are all center-right at the very least. There is nothing truly progressive about the Democratic party of today.

Look at people like Kamala and the interview she had. She is so scared of criticizing scotus and their latest decisions. They don't give a shit. I'd like to think a true progressive party would actually fight back a little.

 

[sickc0d3r]

The largest part of the right has moved toward the center and even left. However there is a push to counter the heavy swing left by the democrats by a vocal part of the Republicans to go right again.

Most Republicans believe abortion needs to be legal with restrictions. Rape. Mothers health and such.

Most are ok with gay marriage but the crazy shit now is just that crazy and pushed by the democrats to get as crazy as possible and young as possible.

Most want a safety net for the working poor but not a free ride for people that want to take advantage.

Most want health care reform but the overwhelming majority have employees health care that is good but could be better. They see how the government has fucked up the V. A. and other programs and don't want that.

I can keep going but most here are going to stop reading after the first statement anyway.

You’re talking about people’s opinions, and I agree, people in general have moved left (towards personal liberty) socially. Most liberals and conservatives are probably normal people that basically want to live and let live.

But, this thread is about the two parties, what are the parties doing?
Gay marriage was a scotus ruling. If we’re including scotus the court is pretty far to the right, currently. On guns and Miranda rights, and overturning roe. Very right.
Policy-wise, the most liberal thing we’ve seen in decades is health care reform. And that was based on a plan first introduced by republicans, which modern republicans despise, indicating a policy shift to the right.
Also the dream act. There is currently no support in the Republican Party for any kind of path to citizenship, and we spent 4 years arguing about building a wall the length of our border. Reagan passed an amnesty bill. Policy shift to the right.
We’ve only passed a MW increase once in the last 25 years, and that happened during the Bush administration. We used to pass them fairly regularly. No republican in congress supports a MW increase today. Shifting right.
I’m trying to think of a policy (not a scotus ruling) passed under Obama or Biden or the first two years of Trump that indicates a shift to the left for the democrats and I can’t think of any at the moment.

Ed: That’s federal of course. Parties have definitely moved left and right in some states.

 

[Zazen]

Then explain to us how Republican Christians support a guy who paid to fuck a porn star while married, and can't go a day in his life without lying? Because it seems like your version of true christians, sure do turn a blind eye whenever convenient.

Hell, the majority of christian cultures throughout history had no issue with terminating a pregnancy before "quickining," (viability). The notion that the moment a guy blew a load, he created a jesus soul, is more of a medieval invention, and not part of any biblical doctrine.

Do you take such adamant positions against the consumption of shellfish? Or do you just waive selective passages around to support ideas that you can't defend on their own merit? Face it, virtually no modern American's follow strict biblical doctrine (itself established hundreds of years after christ). If they did, the world would rightly consider them loons.

Abortion wasn't even an issue in the past for them either. It was created only recently because they were losing and needed an issue to make them appear virtuous. Republicans don't give a crap about babies, if they did they'd be supportive of policies that lead to lower healthcare costs, lower drug costs, lower daycare costs. They'd support maternity leave and family vacations. I could go on and on. If Jesus came back today he would be called a communist by these nutjobs.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

I think they are still pretty far from these too things to be honest. LGBT is under attack by the right currently and what Trump says and does are two different things. His problem is surrounding himself with nutty evangelicals like Mike Pence who have an awful record with gay and transgender people.

I don't know about Trump's marijuana position but it is worrisome that the current most popular Republican DeSantis is very much against weed legalization. He describes its smell as a putrid stench and doesn't want it around. It is possible he will reverse his stance if he runs against a democrat that is for it. Stats have shown that Americans mostly agree on legalizing it. I just find it bizarre that DeSantis hasn't taken much heat yet for his stance.

Have to disagree, a lot of republicans are way mroe accepting of marijuana now vs the 80s/90s

As for Desantis. I think people care more about what hes willing to do for their personal freedoms vs marijuana. even Rogan endorsed him. I personally dont want to argue about Desantis and freedom, Im just saying if Rogan, a dude who is notorious for getting in arguments about legalization of marijuana is endorsing Desantis, then that should be a example of why some people are interested in him running, they feel Democrats are taking much more valuable things away from them.

You can disagree with them, say Democrats arent doing that, etc...
but the fact remains that there are people out here who feel this way, and no amount of scoffing will change that

 

[NickNick]

Oh, I forgot about former President Bernie Sanders....

I was referring to how the DNC is everything to ensure Bernie wouldn't get the nomination, both times. True progressives are a small minority of the democratic party, there is no 'takeover' happening.