Another raping gang in England.

[Ruprecht]

No, because Posession of Child Porn is not aligned with the tenants of any Christian Church.

But rape is allowed, according to the Quran, with no age restriction, as long as no birth control is used.



The Muslim practice of having sex with captured women is reported often in the Hadith, where we learn that Muhammad's only objection to sex with captives was his condemnation of birth control.

Sahih Muslim 3371—We went out with Allah’s Messenger on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing azl (withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4138—We went out with Allah’s Apostle for the invasion of Bun Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus [same as "azl" above]. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said: "How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah’s Apostle who is present among us? We asked (him) about it and he said: "It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul till the Day of Resurrection is predestined to exist, it will exist."

Sahih Muslim 3384—Jabir bin Abdullah reported that a person asked Allah’s Apostle saying: I have a slave-girl and I practice azl with her, whereupon Allah’s Messenger said: This cannot prevent that which Allah has decreed. The person then came (after some time) and said: Messenger of Allah, the slave-girl about whom I talked to you has conceived, whereupon Allah’s Messenger said: I am the servant of Allah and His Messenger.


Any more questions?

That's not the Quran.

 

[SBJJ]

Judge Kavanaugh was just spotted buying a 1 way ticket to England

 

[GearSolidMetal]

That's not the Quran.

Full link -

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/02/does-islam-allow-muslims-to-rape-female.html?m=1

 

[Ruprecht]

Full link -

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/02/does-islam-allow-muslims-to-rape-female.html?m=1

Yes, it relies on the Sunni hadith collections to make those interpretations, and they are not explicit. That is not the usual Islamic interpretation though. Rape is not allowed under the madhabs.
Although of course Salafis tend to emphasize "ijtihad" (independent reasoning), which can lead anywhere.
The most common madhab in Malaysia and Indonesia is the Shafi madhab.

Al-Shafi’i said, “Likewise, if a wife is by herself with him or a servant girl of his with whom he has sexual relations, he is commanded to fear Allah Almighty and to not strike her during intercourse… As for sexual intercourse, its purpose is pleasure and no one may be forced into it.”

Source: al-Umm 5/203

 

[squeezewax]

I hope that the Government message to parents out there is to explain this situation to their kids, including their little toddlers.
Parents should be graphic and explain exactly what will happen to them if they believe strangers and go off with them. It's a waste of time saying 'these men are bad men.' They should scare their kids and talk about it a lot.

And STILL our governments bring in more and more of these monsters. They are all too scared to say 'enough' no more muslim immigrants.
They are petrified at being singled out and being called a racist government. They are scared of the EU and the UN.
They are taking part in the destruction of Western civilization.

Meanwhile those parties on the Left encourage people to self-loathe.
To hate their own countries and way of life.
To hate their history and the people in that history.
To hate caucasians.
To hate males.
Now we are getting the message we should also hate females and that we should support transgender females at the expense of real biological females.
No to patriotism
The Left are now encouraging people to be violent towards those on the Right.

So we have islam destroying our civilization as well as our politicians, the West is very weak at the moment and i'm sure our enemies are loving this, it's to their advantage.

 

[SaiWa]

Lmao. One guy out of 30 isn't muslim. Christ, you're grasping at straws.

And you’re crying cause they are described as Asian (correct in usage in UK) as opposed to Muslim. Cry some more you big baby..

 

[SaiWa]

No, because Posession of Child Porn is not aligned with the tenants of any Christian Church.

But rape is allowed, according to the Quran, with no age restriction, as long as no birth control is used.



The Muslim practice of having sex with captured women is reported often in the Hadith, where we learn that Muhammad's only objection to sex with captives was his condemnation of birth control.

Sahih Muslim 3371—We went out with Allah’s Messenger on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing azl (withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4138—We went out with Allah’s Apostle for the invasion of Bun Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus [same as "azl" above]. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said: "How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah’s Apostle who is present among us? We asked (him) about it and he said: "It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul till the Day of Resurrection is predestined to exist, it will exist."

Sahih Muslim 3384—Jabir bin Abdullah reported that a person asked Allah’s Apostle saying: I have a slave-girl and I practice azl with her, whereupon Allah’s Messenger said: This cannot prevent that which Allah has decreed. The person then came (after some time) and said: Messenger of Allah, the slave-girl about whom I talked to you has conceived, whereupon Allah’s Messenger said: I am the servant of Allah and His Messenger.


Any more questions?

You moved the goal post. Lol

I don’t care what each religion condone or doesn’t condone. That had nothing to do with your issue about UK media misrepresenting these assholes when in fact they were correctly identified.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

And you’re crying cause they are described as Asian (correct in usage in UK) as opposed to Muslim. Cry some more you big baby..

Triggered, huh?

 

[IDL]

I wonder if this is the rape culture that feminists insist on the West having.

Are they concerned that the UK is hesitant to crack down on organized rape groups? I could see that as evidence of their rape culture claim I suppose. If the authorities have been found to look the other way while this stuff goes on..

And of the re-occurring theme of Pakistani Muslims well I'm sure that they would focus some energy on that also and would be against importing that.

 

[SaiWa]

Triggered, huh?

Well you’re crying about the media even though this is s year long issue where apparently police officers weren’t doing their job in a poor neighborhood but that shit exist in the US..

Sooo yeah.. u are triggered lol

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Well you’re crying about the media even though this is s year long issue where apparently police officers weren’t doing their job in a poor neighborhood but that shit exist in the US..

Sooo yeah.. u are triggered lol

At least I'm not the one running interference for child rapists.

 

[Brodels]

FAKE NEWS

 

[uppercutbus]

I wonder if this is the rape culture that feminists insist on the West having.

Are they concerned that the UK is hesitant to crack down on organized rape groups? I could see that as evidence of their rape culture claim I suppose. If the authorities have been found to look the other way while this stuff goes on..

And of the re-occurring theme of Pakistani Muslims well I'm sure that they would focus some energy on that also and would be against importing that.

Well the Muslim justification and mindset they bring with them from the third world is indeed rape culture and explains why this demographic features so prominently in these organized rape gangs targeting non-muslims.

However I'm gonna guess feminists idea of "rape culture" is white men doing bad things. So to conform to the oppression hierarchy with Muslims at the top they don't form rallies or protests about these news stories.

 

[IDL]

Well the Muslim justification and mindset they bring with them from the third world is indeed rape culture and explains why this demographic features so prominently in these organized rape gangs targeting non-muslims.

However I'm gonna guess feminists idea of "rape culture" is white men doing bad things. So to conform to the oppression hierarchy with Muslims at the top they don't form rallies or protests about these news stories.

Oh I know from an ideological standpoint it's really about deconstructing Western culture in any way they can. Actually importing a legitimate rape culture advances that aim as long as it's foreign.

 

[lifelessheap]

‘Rotherham, Oxford, Rochdale, Derby, Banbury, Telford, Peterborough, Aylesbury, Bristol, Halifax, Keighley, Newcastle... now Huddersfield

Holy shit! What is going on in England? Why do they not put a stop to this? What about the fathers, brothers, etc? Where are the men of England?

In jail for offensive Tweets.

 

[surrealworlds]

Can someone explain how grooming gangs work? They rape random girls or their own kind in their neighborhoods ?

I would like to know this also.

You sure? The USA is way further down the path of 'majority displacement' than any european country, inner cities have more dangerous armed gangs than here, US higher education is an absolutely rancid cesspit, and the political system is the worst in the developed world, making sure there is nothing you can do about it. What good did the 2nd amendmend do to stop all of that?

If some random upset guy decides to exercise his '2nd amendment rights' and go out and shoot up a bunch of immigrants/schools/politicians/whoever he has a grievance with, he will just be shot dead by the cops then easily marginalised in the media as a 'lone right wing nutcase' (which is exactly what he would be).

Meanwhile in Europe people can actually make a difference with their vote, f.e. eastern europeans (who are less americanised therefore less 'cucked') have elected politicians who have built walls (not just talked about it), kept out unwanted immigrants, closed down cancerous elements in the education system; even in the 'lost cause' west europe, the mainstream has to pull out all the stops to keep populists from power in places like France, but parties are still rapidly growing even in places like Sweden and Germany.

You are the first person in this thread to try to put a positive spin on this. Which cities or countries have built walls? Are these media stories overblown?
Why are you comparing this to America when we are talking about the UK?
I would genuinely like to here the positive side. These stories make it sound like the UK is being overrun by middle-eastern immigrants(Asian if you prefer) and the local populaces are suffering because of it. The police dont seem to be interested in helping either.
Is this all untrue or exaggerated?

Yes, it relies on the Sunni hadith collections to make those interpretations, and they are not explicit. That is not the usual Islamic interpretation though. Rape is not allowed under the madhabs.
Although of course Salafis tend to emphasize "ijtihad" (independent reasoning), which can lead anywhere.
The most common madhab in Malaysia and Indonesia is the Shafi madhab.

Which versions are most widely used? How many Muslims use the version that allows rape?

 

[Ruprecht]

Which versions are most widely used? How many Muslims use the version that allows rape?

It's not the hadiths themselves, but a particular interpretation of them (in combination with their interpretation of the Quran) that it's OK to rape slaves/captives of war. It's not an interpretation supported by the schools of Islamic jurisprudence (madhab) to which the majority of Muslims subscribe.
ISIS is an example of a group that supported the idea. Salafis themselves are a minority of Muslims (and not a cohesive group) and it's a minority of Salafis that subscribe to the interpretation.
I don't think there's any numbers available on it.

 

[surrealworlds]

It's not the hadiths themselves, but a particular interpretation of them (in combination with their interpretation of the Quran) that it's OK to rape slaves/captives of war. It's not an interpretation supported by the schools of Islamic jurisprudence (madhab) to which the majority of Muslims subscribe.
ISIS is an example of a group that supported the idea. Salafis themselves are a minority of Muslims (and not a cohesive group) and it's a minority of Salafis that subscribe to the interpretation.
I don't think there's any numbers available on it.

You make it sound like its a small subset of another subset that doesnt follow the actual teachings of Islam.

Ill admit i dont have much knowledge on the subjects at hand, hence all of the questions. Keep in mind the Worldwide Muslim population numbers in the billions so if even a small subset of another subset beleives this you are still talking about millions of practitioners right?

Are the reports false? It would seem to be large groups of Muslim men that are organizing these rape gangs. I dont like to generalize but if that many commit the same crimes wouldnt it be safe to say they got these beliefs from the same source?(their version of the religion?)

Or are they just bad actors that dont reflect on the Muslim beliefs at all?

 

[Ruprecht]

You make it sound like its a small subset of another subset that doesnt follow the actual teachings of Islam.

Ill admit i dont have much knowledge on the subjects at hand, hence all of the questions. Keep in mind the Worldwide Muslim population numbers in the billions so if even a small subset of another subset beleives this you are still talking about millions of practitioners right?

Are the reports false? It would seem to be large groups of Muslim men that are organizing these rape gangs. I dont like to generalize but if that many commit the same crimes wouldnt it be safe to say they got these beliefs from the same source?(their version of the religion?)

Or are they just bad actors that dont reflect on the Muslim beliefs at all?

Yes, there are estimates that the number of Salafi Jihadists (which overlaps with this interpretation) represent "less than 1% of Muslims", which could still be an incredibly large number of people. I don't think there's much precision with those estimates though.
One of the Salafi Jihadists main avenues for recruitment is prisons, and amongst hopeless deadbeats, although environmental factors (ie civil war) can certainly increase that.
I think it's more likely that they are just criminal scumbags, and their disrespect for women might be cultural, but it's unlikely to be a result of religious devotion or teaching.
They are frequently involved with drugs, and that's outright prohibited by all interpretations of Islam.

 

[NoDak]

Lmao being angry at organised gang rape makes you far right? Fuck off you scrub. This should disgust and anger any reasonable person.

You can't believe that was serious... or can you?

This means @tonni is now an honorary aryan this side of sherdog.

He also believes in two gender theory.