Social Any Card counters here, Black Jack, Spanish 21, Lucky ladies etc?

[Karl_Hungus]

Anyone here find success in counting cards playing black jack in casinos or variations of Black Jack such as Spanish 21, Lucky Ladies etc?

any interesting, thrilling stories you would like to share? what's the most you've won? most you've lost?

thanks for sharing.

Yeah, I count cards at Blackjack. It is not hard, unless you are braindead. There are simulators online you can use to practice. The High/Low system is pretty easy. I have used it to drink for free at casinos while generally winning a few hundred dollars. The key is to make sure and play at a table with a low number of decks (i.e., one or two) and with full payout for Blackjack, and no other funny business to reduce your payout or odds, as they like to do. You have to go away from the high traffic areas to find these tables, and there are less and less.

I haven't played in a few years, and the trend was to have less honest tables. Maybe they got rid of them altogether, Idk. Anyway, if you are thinking of breaking the bank, forget about it, unless you have a ring of people and you are really good and have a large bankroll. There was a ring of people who did something similar. I saw a documentary on it late at night when I couldn't sleep, lol. I just use it to get free drinks, have fun, and break even or make money. Sometimes, the dealers are hard to beat, and sometimes people don't know when to hit or hold, and this can make it easier for the dealer.

 

[Timetravel_0]

I play hold'em, and learned to calculate odds on the fly.

56 valid cards in the deck.
Only enter a hand if you're the big blind, little blind, or have very favorable cards.
Bet alittle after the flop if you have the high pair, but not a lot.
After the turn, if its lower than your high pair then bet a lot.
Bet some, but not a lot on the river. Play on the fly if someone reraises you. They may have two pair or higher.

odds are easy. A guideline I used was multiply your outs by 2 for odds on the turn and 4 for the river. Gutshot straight (4 outs) you make it 8% of the time on the turn 16% on the river. It's not exact but close enough.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

 

[subtlySteve]

Anyway, if you are thinking of breaking the bank, forget about it, unless you have a ring of people and you are really good and have a large bankroll.

100% agree. Of course, there are some outliers who can do well solo but those are few and far between.

sometimes people don't know when to hit or hold, and this can make it easier for the dealer.

This is long believed misconception.

The math proves that in the LONG RUN, the decisions of other players at the table have no effect on the expected result for a basic strategy player.

One of the ring leaders of the Holy Rollers blackjack team who took casinos for millions of dollars ran simulations that put an advantage player aka card counter vs average players, poor players, and perfect strategy players. The end result was that you (as the advantage player) would expect to lose on average $4.31 per hour regardless of who you were playing with at the table.

He also ran a simulation of someone playing perfect blackjack heads-up with only the dealer and after all the math works out, you are expected to lose that same $4.31 an hour.

Sure, sometimes other people at the table might take a card that screws up the hand, but other times they are going to take a card that improves the hand.

Other players do not affect the odds.

It can feel that way sometimes, I understand. But that's because the game has an edge built into it that gives the casino the advantage against the player, so if you play blackjack (or virtually do any gambling) you're expected to lose money... and people don't like blaming themselves when they lose, so we look to put that on others.

We have to trust the math.

 

[DougieJones]

Can someone explain to me why you can get kicked out of a casino for card counting? I understand Indian places can do what they want, but what about places like Vegas? You're not using any device or outside help, just your brain and analyzing the situation, so how TF is that cheating?

 

[Karl_Hungus]

100% agree. Of course, there are some outliers who can do well solo but those are few and far between.



This is long believed misconception.

The math proves that in the LONG RUN, the decisions of other players at the table have no effect on the expected result for a basic strategy player.

One of the ring leaders of the Holy Rollers blackjack team who took casinos for millions of dollars ran simulations that put an advantage player aka card counter vs average players, poor players, and perfect strategy players. The end result was that you (as the advantage player) would expect to lose on average $4.31 per hour regardless of who you were playing with at the table.

He also ran a simulation of someone playing perfect blackjack heads-up with only the dealer and after all the math works out, you are expected to lose that same $4.31 an hour.

Sure, sometimes other people at the table might take a card that screws up the hand, but other times they are going to take a card that improves the hand.

Other players do not affect the odds.

It can feel that way sometimes, I understand. But that's because the game has an edge built into it that gives the casino the advantage against the player, so if you play blackjack (or virtually do any gambling) you're expected to lose money... and people don't like blaming themselves when they lose, so we look to put that on others.

We have to trust the math.

How many casinos are there in Sweden? Do you play much? There absolutely are times when a player's actions change the course of play, in the short term, which is what I said in the first place. If you are sitting at a table, and a bunch of low cards come off, and not too many face cards, and it is getting close to the end of the deck, the odds say to let the dealer take the card. How can you not know that and be talking like an expert in a thread about card counting. I'm not an expert, but it seems that I know more than you.

Also, the casino always has an edge in every game they host, otherwise there would be no point for them to do so. You again show your ignorance by pointing out that this occurs in Blackjack, as if it is some sort of outlier. Additionally, Blackjack is one of the few games where you can actually get your odds above 100% if you count patiently at a table with one or two decks and no odd rules to reduce payouts. Again, you should know stuff like this if you want to speak authoritatively about this subject, fyi.

 

[subtlySteve]

How many casinos are there in Sweden? Do you play much? There absolutely are times when a player's actions change the course of play, in the short term, which is what I said in the first place. If you are sitting at a table, and a bunch of low cards come off, and not too many face cards, and it is getting close to the end of the deck, the odds say to let the dealer take the card. How can you not know that and be talking like an expert in a thread about card counting. I'm not an expert, but it seems that I know more than you.

I'm going to assume in your haste to tell me how right you are and how wrong I am that you missed the part where I said that sometimes cards the other players take do screw up the hand, and sometimes they also take cards that improve the hand.

It all averages out in the long run and makes absolutely zero difference.

I never made the claim to be a blackjack expert, but I am friendly with blackjack experts because I'm balls-deep in that world, but more importantly, I was mentioning things that an actual blackjack expert said.

If you believe you know better than them... good luck with that.

I'm not an expert,

Thanks for the clarification, it was hard to tell...

but it seems that I know more than you.

Please make sure that you contact your primary healthcare provider so they can get those prescriptions in for your schizophrenia.

Also, the casino always has an edge in every game they host, otherwise there would be no point for them to do so.

You went from Captain Obvious to Captain Oblivious, well done.

All the best to you and your delusions. (ignore feature ftw)

 

[subtlySteve]

Can someone explain to me why you can get kicked out of a casino for card counting? I understand Indian places can do what they want, but what about places like Vegas? You're not using any device or outside help, just your brain and analyzing the situation, so how TF is that cheating?

Legally, casinos don't even have to have a reason. As long as they are not removing you for reasons that violate your constitutional rights, such as race, religion, or gender, they have every right to ask you to leave.

 

[DougieJones]

Legally, casinos don't even have to have a reason. As long as they are not removing you for reasons that violate your constitutional rights, such as race, religion, or gender, they have every right to ask you to leave.

One of many reasons I don't support those places. Winning too much? GET OUT!

 

[subtlySteve]

One of many reasons I don't support those places. Winning too much? GET OUT!

I understand.

As for myself, I quite enjoy casinos, however, I treat them like any other potential vice, and that's with infrequency.

 

[DougieJones]

I understand.

As for myself, I quite enjoy casinos, however, I treat them like any other potential vice, and that's with infrequency.

My aunt and uncle are 'high rollers' at a couple of casinos in my area, they get show tickets and rooms for free all the time, but I never hear about them talking about anything they've ever won lol. I would guess they are at least $100k down over the last decade, but they apparently can afford it and enjoy it so I'm not gonna judge (too much)

 

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

Can someone explain to me why you can get kicked out of a casino for card counting? I understand Indian places can do what they want, but what about places like Vegas? You're not using any device or outside help, just your brain and analyzing the situation, so how TF is that cheating?

They have the right to refuse or renege admission. They can’t have you winning

 

[subtlySteve]

My aunt and uncle are 'high rollers' at a couple of casinos in my area, they get show tickets and rooms for free all the time, but I never hear about them talking about anything they've ever won lol. I would guess they are at least $100k down over the last decade, but they apparently can afford it and enjoy it so I'm not gonna judge (too much)

Of course, those comps they give people will never add up to the amount of money lost by them, but it keeps them coming back (and losing money) and hey, some people play for the comps and don't care so much about the losses because it makes them feel special, and exclusivity sells.

 

[Edmond_Dantes]

Yeah, I count cards at Blackjack. It is not hard, unless you are braindead. There are simulators online you can use to practice. The High/Low system is pretty easy. I have used it to drink for free at casinos while generally winning a few hundred dollars. The key is to make sure and play at a table with a low number of decks (i.e., one or two) and with full payout for Blackjack, and no other funny business to reduce your payout or odds, as they like to do. You have to go away from the high traffic areas to find these tables, and there are less and less.

I haven't played in a few years, and the trend was to have less honest tables. Maybe they got rid of them altogether, Idk. Anyway, if you are thinking of breaking the bank, forget about it, unless you have a ring of people and you are really good and have a large bankroll. There was a ring of people who did something similar. I saw a documentary on it late at night when I couldn't sleep, lol. I just use it to get free drinks, have fun, and break even or make money. Sometimes, the dealers are hard to beat, and sometimes people don't know when to hit or hold, and this can make it easier for the dealer.

do you have any app suggestion or online simulator suggesstions?

and you're correct, it's not as difficult as I thought it would be. I'm using an app now, but it's clunky and just saturated with ads

 

[Shonuffbrad]

One of many reasons I don't support those places. Winning too much? GET OUT!

Casinos don’t want to kick you out if you’re winning too much. They know eventually they’ll get that money back.

 

[Renard]

Card counting seems more or less pointless because casinos have gotten really good at detecting them, under 30 mins in most places. Even if you play your cards close to your chest and never reveal your ID unless lawfully required (casinos will constantly try to bully you into revealing it when not necessary), eventually they'll get your name, your face (via cameras) and they'll put you in a system that automatically detects you via facial recognition when you come in. Many casinos have informal networks where they share information about card counters with one another. So when you get backed off one casino, you're also getting de facto backed off all the other casinos that company owns, but also other casinos owned by other companies that you've never been in that are part of an information sharing network. You can make money for a few months as an unknown player, but very quickly you'll "burn out" all the places you can go until you can no longer play (with non-fixed bids) anywhere. That's a lot of effort put into learning this skillset, only to no longer be able to use anywhere only a few months later. Months assuming you drive through the entire US systematically entering every casino. If you stick to your local area, you'll be burned everywhere within hours or days.

 

[Karl_Hungus]

do you have any app suggestion or online simulator suggesstions?

and you're correct, it's not as difficult as I thought it would be. I'm using an app now, but it's clunky and just saturated with ads

No, but google should get you there quickly. I learned a long time ago. I just read about the few systems that people tend to learn. This was in the early days of internet, and there was a simulator I used, but it was basic, and I'm sure it's gone and there are better ones. Eventually, you can track the face cards and tens in your head, at least, until you get sauced. The main thing is to keep bets low until a lot of low cards are gone and there are a lot of face cards and tens in the deck. Then, your odds of winning go up drastically, if you play it right. However, luck is always a factor.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Yea, but there are times where the players sitting at a table ask you (politiely) to wait for the next shoe.

Happened to me recently. I was doing some counting, and found my opening. put my money on the table and a woman (degen) asked me to wait for the new shoe.

I don t get it.why would this happen?

 

[Shonuffbrad]

I don t get it.why would this happen?

If the shoe is going well, they will not want to change the flow of it. It’s also proper etiquette to wait.

 

[lsa]

I understand.

As for myself, I quite enjoy casinos, however, I treat them like any other potential vice, and that's with infrequency.

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