Bob (Mueller)'s 13 Russian Burgers: Russia Investigation v.13

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Update of the day:

Robert Mueller indicted 13 Russian nationals on charges of conspiracy to defraud the United States, wire fraud, bank fraud, and identity theft, in connection with their interference in national elections. One of the operations ran to a cost of more than 73 million rubles (1.25 million USD) per month. Full text: https://www.politico.com/story/2018...er-indictment-on-russian-election-case-415670

A US citizen also pleaded guilty to knowingly aiding them.
https://www.justice.gov/file/1035547/download

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Major events so far:
  • Manafort, Trump's campaign manager and transition committee member, indicted with Gates, a Trump staffer, on eleven counts arising from misconduct reaching into 2017 related to payments received through 2014 from the pro-russia faction of Ukraine's pre-war government. They have pleaded not guilty.
  • Although Manafort is heading to trial, Gates is engaged in negotiations.
  • George Papadopolous pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators in 2017 about activities occuring 2016-17. Admits to meeting with various Russian officials regarding setting up meetings and "dirt" on Hillary while acting on behalf of the Trump campaign, something he previously denied.
  • Mike Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor, has also pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI with respect to several meetings that he had with the Russian ambassador. Flynn was allegedly involved in other business involving Turkey, but has not yet been charged with respect to that behavior.
  • Steve Bannon was interviewed for roughly 20 hours by Mueller's team. Bannon has refused to answer congressional inquiries
  • Sessions was privately interviewed by Mueller's team. Sessions is currently head of the DoJ.
  • 13 Russian indictment for activity starting in 2014 and continuing through 2017. US citizen pleaded guilty for agreeing to help them.


Dumb Talking Points:

The FBI is wasting money on this, but dropping the ball on other things?
The office of special counsel is a separate section. The FBI has literally thousands of employees and lots of different offices and departments.

Rosenstein said that it had no effect, and that no american citizens were knowingly involved!
No. He said there was nothing about that in the indictment. There has already been a guilty plea with respect to at least one American outside of the Trump campaign, and at least one trump campaign staffer admitted to meeting with representatives of the russian government in his guilty plea and information, and lying about it.

"Now, there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."

They were just shitposting lol
Wrong. Read the indictment.

Previous thread
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/from-mueller-with-love-russia-investigation-v-12.3699745/
 
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You spelled "Nothing Burgers" wrong.
 
Mod note: last thread got a bit off topic. Please post in here with regards to the subject at hand. Any general chat can go in the WR OT thread.
 
You're in a thread with a tremendous amount of information about how Trump supporters fell for fake news, on a day 13 indictments were made over it, complaining about other people being gullible?
The Resistance is Russian propaganda. You retards were played like a fiddle.
 
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Right, and Q says Mueller is really going to arrest Hillary! It's opposite day!

Lmao remember when these idiots actually believed that?
 
The point of the indictments today was to prove high level intricate and wide ranging Russian interest in influencing the 2016 American Presidential election. It has been proven now. It is not saying this was their only attempt and avenue. We know they reached out to Papadopolous and Donnie Jr. directly to the campaign.

And the idea that Rosenstein said there is no evidence this impacted the result - it's because that's not the purview of the investigation to decide. There is no evidence it didnt either, because they're not looking for that under this indictment. He's not saying it did or didn't. He's saying a crime has been committed that Russia was proven to have meddled in the election at a high level. Period.

Would Russia spend tens of millions with no discernible ROI? They obviously thought they were having an impact with what they were doing.

It can be argued that 80,000 votes decided the election if you take the margin of victory in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Florida. Where 100M votes were cast, where another 150M people didn't bother to vote (one of their strategies was to encourage Dem voters to stay home in protest).

We'll never really be able to prove it did or didn't. What can be proven is that they did attempt to influence it. And what still being investigated is if Trump/Campaign knew they were or colluded with them to do it better.

What this indictment also means is Trump needs to explain why he's refusing further sanctions on Russia that were already approved by 400 in the house and 97 in the Senate. What it further means is Trump needs to explain now what steps he is doing to ensure the 2018 and 2020 elections are not meddled with. If he still continues to refuse to do nothing on either issue - what does that say? Is that further collusion? Is no further sanctions a "payoff" to Putin, a quid pro quo?
 
Agreed. We need to deal with election meddling in the US, starting with these fucking Dreamers.

If you can prove it, go get em.

I say we should start wherever there's proof. This seems reasonable.
 
(Reuters) - Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s indictment of 13 Russian individuals and three organizations for allegedly interfering in the 2016 U.S. presidential election sets the stage for the prosecution of Americans who may have helped the Russian effort, some legal experts said.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-stage-for-more-mueller-charges-idUSKCN1G02LG
It's already started. One american has pleaded guilty because he helped set them up with information (that resulted in the identity theft charges)
So they busted 13 shitposters who were pretending to be Trump bots or Bernie Bros. All the while a kid who was posting online under his real name, threatening to shoot up a school, finally follows through. Such a wonderful allocation of resources.
Nope. If you had read the indictment you would know that they were engaged in substantially more than "shitposting."

And the apparent failures of law enforcement officers in florida are unrelated to the actions of the office of special counsel.

Next time make it less obvious you're copy-pasting talking points from t_d
 
What a shit show.. at this point :

If you support trump,you are a immoral piece of work who holds no regard for professionalism,honor,honesty,integrity.

He’s a serial adulter...stormy,playboy bunny
Racist..housing ,Haitians,kkk rally
Moron...everyday tweets and everyday speech
Conman... business and loan default..stiffing everyone and there Mom.
Liar...drain the swamp,but first let me install entire economic cabinet with Goldman sachs
And soon to be treasonous traitor...


You have to be on a level of a cult member to still support this idiot.


I am a center guy who hoped for the best but fuck if trump doesn’t make bush jr look like Einstein.
I from this point on will have absolutely no debate, nor conversation worth having with anyone who champions this righteous piece of shit.
 
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