Elections Boris Johnson Turned Away From Polling Station After Forgetting ID (His Own Policy)

[Siver!]

Who cares?

People needs IDs to drive on the road. Nobody seems to believe it's unreasonable to expect drivers to be able to produce them except the sovereign citizen idiots. Yet for some reason I'm supposed to sympathize with those who assert this is an unreasonable expectation at a voting booth.

Rational, moderate people seem to recognize voter fraud is largely a non-issue. Although many of us recognize the security threat as we move to increasingly electronic record keeping. Similarly, rational, moderate people recognize it's not at all unreasonable to expect citizens to verify they are who they say they are at a voting booth.

Why would anyone be against that? To what kind of person is that an unreasonable burden? Certainly not the kind I want voting. I don't care if they do have the right. Rights are only deserved if they are exercised. So exercise them.

There were an estimated 3.5 million people who did not have photo ID when this was introduced.

All it takes is to be unfortunate enough to be born into the wrong household and you're not getting a vote are 18 or even older, whether the reason is poverty or lack of priority or inability.

Obviously Bozo Johnson thought as you do: who cares, I don't want them voting anyway. Very privileged and entitled nonsensical attitude that serves absolutely no one well and achieves nothing except a little more friction against those who already struggle the most. Leave it to the ignorant to cause mindless issues and blame it on non existant crime.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

Former Conservative Prime Minister Boris Johnson was turned away from his local polling station after forgetting to bring acceptable photo ID.
As first reported by Sky News, he returned later with the necessary ID and was able to vote.

In other words, he didn't cry racism and followed the law.

This definitely needed to be a thread.

 

[Madmick]

There were an estimated 3.5 million people who did not have photo ID when this was introduced.

All it takes is to be unfortunate enough to be born into the wrong household and you're not getting a vote are 18 or even older, whether the reason is poverty or lack of priority or inability.

Obviously Bozo Johnson thought as you do: who cares, I don't want them voting anyway. Very privileged and entitled nonsensical attitude that serves absolutely no one well and achieves nothing except a little more friction against those who already struggle the most. Leave it to the ignorant to cause mindless issues and blame it on non existant crime.

Give me a fucking break. The homeless people where I live walking around on the sidewalk are talking on cell phones. I have yet to encounter a single minimum wage worker who can't afford their own phone and cell service. Yet somehow this magically becomes an unbearable, impossible barrier when we're talking about a one-time cost of $10-$50. And even that isn't unavoidable. The government itself offers free or reduced-fee photo IDs even in my non-socialist country. There are other services that assist with free photo IDs.

Your excuses are as thin as their evidence of a stolen election. It's bullshit.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Give me a fucking break. The homeless people where I live walking around on the sidewalk are talking on cell phones. I have yet to encounter a single minimum wage worker who can't afford their own phone and cell service. Yet somehow this magically becomes an unbearable, impossible barrier when we're talking about a one-time cost of $10-$50. And even that isn't unavoidable. The government itself offers free or reduced-fee photo IDs even in my non-socialist country. There are other services that assist with free photo IDs.

Your excuses are as thin as their evidence of a stolen election. It's bullshit.

People in the UK can apply for a free ID to vote

https://www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate

 

[ShadowRun]

Oh man what a crazy inconvenience, this probably altered his life forever. RIP Boris. The argument is settled, what's next he gets a ticket for going over the speed limit while saying people show follow all laws...

 

[lsa]

I dont get whats funny.
Nice to see it works.

Here in socialist hell we have used photo ID for ages when voting.
But then again you need a photo ID going to a hospital. Some doctors demand it too.
In any contact with government branches such as IRS, Social services and so on.

How a person can function in 2024 in a first world country with out an ID is incredible.

 

[jimjamjammer]

Based on what?

A fictional narrative about a danger that isn't real?

The only fiction is you thinking people can't get ID. Per your article there is 22 acceptable forms and a free voter ID that can be applied for. I'm not sure why you're crying so much.

 

[Siver!]

Give me a fucking break. The homeless people where I live walking around on the sidewalk are talking on cell phones. I have yet to encounter a single minimum wage worker who can't afford their own phone and cell service. Yet somehow this magically becomes an unbearable, impossible barrier when we're talking about a one-time cost of $10-$50. And even that isn't unavoidable. The government itself offers free or reduced-fee photo IDs even in my non-socialist country. There are other services that assist with free photo IDs.

Your excuses are as thin as their evidence of a stolen election. It's bullshit.

It's more likely to affect young people in poor households who reach voting age than anyone else, particularly in poor households where English language skills aren't great, or where there is disability or impairment than veteran homeless people.

Lmao at that being 'my excuse' rather than something you either haven't thought about or don't care about.

Trust me, I didn't invent any objections to the sudden switch to requiring voter ID, I just read them and acknowledge them and offer them here for try hards to flail around trying to discredit them for 'reasons'.

 

[Siver!]

The only fiction is you thinking people can't get ID. Per your article there is 22 acceptable forms and a free voter ID that can be applied for. I'm not sure why you're crying so much.

Who's crying? If there was no discourse in the UK about ID being a barrier for already marginalised people, there wouldn't be one on here either.

But... there is, because its a real thing that affects real people.

And the measure that now requires ID to vote, which we haven't had, is completely pointless and achieves nothing except make life slightly harder for marginalised people.

We require ID to buy beer and cigarettes. It hasn't shut down underage drinking or smoking, so we can't even use effectiveness as a reason to introduce this nonsense.

 

[moreorless87]

He could fall back on the skin colour scan though surely? above a certain albedo and your fine without any ID.

 

[Natural Order]

Looks like the policy is working well.

Preventing people from voting using one of 22 acceptable forms of ID!

Fascism for days…

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

We require ID to buy beer and cigarettes. It hasn't shut down underage drinking or smoking, so we can't even use effectiveness as a reason to introduce this nonsense.

Wow.... that might be the worst argument in Sherdog history.

I will admit, I admire your commitment to such a weak argument.

 

[Siver!]

Wow.... that might be the worst argument in Sherdog history.

I will admit, I admire your commitment to such a weak argument.

It's not an argument, it's just one of many reasons why such an initiative has no grounding in reality.

No fraud to combat, no real effectiveness, no purpose whatsoever, just a barrier to those that struggle the most.

I don't get why that's cool and needed putting in place, let alone why boring Internet types would pretend its a positive move.

 

[Natural Order]

What is a marginalized person? Do we have some benchmark for who qualifies and who is exempt from societal expectations? Anybody got a list, or cut off line we can work with? Anybody?

 

[Siver!]

What is a marginalized person? Do we have some benchmark for who qualifies and who is exempt from societal expectations? Anybody got a list, or cut off line we can work with? Anybody?

It means someone treated as though they don't matter by taking opportunity away from them for no real reason, or as part of sweeping generalisations.

It can be pretty context dependent, but in this instance, I think we can look at already marginalised people.

If the negative impact on someone is greater than the positive impact on a bunch of people, they're gonna be marginalised in that context. Since no one benefits from voter ID, anyone that struggles is marginalised.

Even more so if people pretend they don't matter.

 

[lilelvis]

Those godamn racists!

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

What is a marginalized person? Do we have some benchmark for who qualifies and who is exempt from societal expectations? Anybody got a list, or cut off line we can work with? Anybody?

Anyone that is not a straight white male, obviously. lol

 

[jimjamjammer]

What is a marginalized person? Do we have some benchmark for who qualifies and who is exempt from societal expectations? Anybody got a list, or cut off line we can work with? Anybody?

A person who is incapable of requesting a free Government ID apparently.

 

[nostradumbass]

Nobody knows how they'd vote, and I hold my hands up, neither do I.

However, the people most likely affected by this nonsense are extremely marginalized communities.

I'm happy to take the implication that because the Conservative government have taken this action, they have done so believing it won't affect their own supporters, but somebody elses.

I'll happily take the same implication across the Atlantic, too.

Any party that wants to make voting more difficult based on very little evidence of any fraud whatsoever must be doing so for reasons beyond that.

What do you think those reasons might be? I think it might be that the people affected might vote against them

You guys keep saying " more difficult", as if it's even a little difficult to have an ID. I guess it's "more difficult" than voting by text message or scribbling it on a toilet wall or shouting it out the window of your car, so maybe you'd like to make that the system of voting to avoid the horrible confusing burden of having to show up to a polling station?

None of you ever seem to complain about this crazy burden with anything else that requires ID. You need one here to board a plane, get a job, have a bank account, drive a car, enter a government building, receive social benefits, purchase alcohol, tobacco, firearms. No massive left wing campaigns to remove ID requirement for anything other than voting and watching online pornography. Not exactly "fighting for the marginalized" when you don't give a shit about their ability to participate in even the most basic aspects of society, but consider it a major priority that they pick our leaders and watch pornography. I'll take it seriously when you're this enthusiastic about people getting jobs, boarding planes, opening bank accounts and buying guns with no ID. Until then, it's incredibly suspicious to only care about their ability to vote and not their ability to do anything else.

 

[Cherry Brigand]

Where I live they have required ID to vote for pretty much ever. Do you know how many people complain? None.

Dems in America think blacks and minorities are too stupid to get an ID. You must be in a predominantly white country for it to work out so smoothly. Right @Siver! ?