Crime California #1 Economy in US, & has 75 billion budget surplus

[Scerpi]

Sorry but highest poverty rate is coveted by Red states. Mississippi is the leader in poverty rate at 19.6%. Followed by Louisiana, New Mexico, Kentucky and Arkansas. The 4 of the 5 best states are blue (shocking).

California is stuck in the middle beating out Florida and Texas.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/poverty-rate-by-state

When adjusted for cost of living, California has the highest poverty rate in the US

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...alifornia-has-nations-highest-poverty-rate-w/

"If you look at the official poverty measure in California, we’re about average with the rest of the country," Mayes said. "But if you use the supplemental poverty measure, we are in the lead. We have the highest poverty rate in the nation -- higher than New Mexico, higher than any of the southern states, Louisiana, Alabama, higher than Idaho."

 

[helltoupee]

That's the issue... Why would you bail them out then?
They have already raised sufficient money and have a surplus during a period of economic down turn. Why throw more money at them ?

Maybe because CA contributes more Federal tax dollars than it actually takes?

So look at the bailouts as CA being paid back for supporting whatever shithole red state you live in.

 

[helltoupee]

People seem to not realize the homeless end up in these big cities because that's where the social services, jails, hospitals, charities, etc are located. The big west coast cities, in particular, have large homeless populations because they move in from elsewhere, due to more services and a relatively mild climate from LA to Seattle. They get stuck there. They can't make their way back to bumfuck city, or whatever place they came from, and why would they? Their small community will ship them off to the big city hospital or jail and the cycle continues.

Bullshit.

They have large homeless populations because of the weather. Full stop.

It's much easier to be homeless when it's sunny and 75 degrees out 300 days out of the year, than attempting to live in the snow, or stifling heat and humidity.

Quite frankly, that's why so many people hate on CA. They're jealous that I can be outdoors 365 days a year in a t shirt, surfing in the Pacific Ocean, staring at girls in bikinis who don't weight 200+, and not having to worry about my engine overheating, or hitting a patch of ice on the freeway with my motorcycle.

Is the housing expensive? Absolutely. Which can be blamed on the yuppie busybody boomers who all got in early on cheap real estate, and now dominate city planning offices making it impossible to build (and supposedly bringing their property values down).

 

[Quipling]

We've done this before. Actual poverty in the state isn't high, but because of the ridiculous housing costs, you can make adjustments and get it up. It is important to keep in mind (the housing shortage is the No. 1 problem in the state and should be policymakers' top priority), but it's a different problem with different solutions than actual poverty.

An old friend of mine did a lot of work with LA's efforts to reduce homelessness. The LAHSA basically quadrupled in size over from 2014-2019, and homelessness still increased. He believed this was because the LAHSA was effectively an enormous bandaid: even though it did help homeless people, the key problem was affordability, which was due to policies effectively outside their control.

And the poverty distinction is pretty clear: LA has a much lower poverty rate than places like Rochester, NY, but Rochester has far fewer homeless people. Some of that is weather, but the fundamental truth is that Rochester is more affordable, so even extreme poverty doesn't result in being homeless.

 

[Poser Caust]

That big of a surplus yet so many issues with California that desperately need to be addressed. Fix your shit before you congratulate yourselves

 

[blaseblah]

Have you been to L.A. or San Francisco? Its nothing like what you see in other large cities. L.A. looks like a third world nowadays.

I can't speak for LA but in SF just stay in the good areas and it's like any other city. You have to actively travel to the homeless areas.

 

[Jack V Savage]

An old friend of mine did a lot of work with LA's efforts to reduce homelessness. The LAHSA basically quadrupled in size over from 2014-2019, and homelessness still increased. He believed this was because the LAHSA was effectively an enormous bandaid: even though it did help homeless people, the key problem was affordability, which was due to policies effectively outside their control.

And the poverty distinction is pretty clear: LA has a much lower poverty rate than places like Rochester, NY, but Rochester has far fewer homeless people. Some of that is weather, but the fundamental truth is that Rochester is more affordable, so even extreme poverty doesn't result in being homeless.

Lots of talk about homelessness treats it as some kind of special category, caused by mental illness (or the "homeless migration" theory we're seeing ITT) or something. Certainly any factor that correlates with low incomes will also correlate with homelessness (and probably more strongly), but fundamentally, it's a problem of housing costs, which in turn is related to supply and demand. When you have a booming economy, very desirable locations, and a shortage of housing (and a lack of new construction), of course you're going to have high prices, and thus a high homeless population. And then people who own homes are naturally not inclined to support policies that will bring home prices down, plus people worry about the downsides of density (traffic, parking, etc.). I think there's an increasing recognition that the key is to break hyperlocal control and let the state direct housing policy. But NIMBYism is still a thing, plus there are lots of idiots who think that construction *raises* prices (by attracting more rich people).

 

[PUO3]

Goat State doing Goat things. Flyover shithole state posters are seething right now. Lmao

GOAT state needs to fix some roads though imo. Tired of beating my vehicles to death lol

 

[Revolver]

GOAT state needs to fix some roads though imo. Tired of beating my vehicles to death lol

totally agree.

 

[2gps125]

Yet you Rednecks/Rubes send your shit bags out to CA via the military, and many of them prefer to be homeless in CA over returning to their home states in the south or midwest. They even write songs about us.

 

[gluehuffer1776]

Thats great. Maybe they can do something about the high cost of living here. I am glad California is so rich. Maybe they could spread that wealth around so i dont have to pay 60 dollars to fill up my gas tank.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...efies-doom-with-no-1-u-s-economy?srnd=premium

How do those socialist do it? I kept hearing how California was dying, but they increased their GDP, Increased household income, increased manufacturing, all the while supporting shit hole states.
From the article.
The most trusted measure of economic strength says California is the world-beater among democracies. The state’s gross domestic product increased 21% during the past five years, dwarfing No. 2 New York (14%) and No. 3 Texas (12%), according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The gains added $530 billion to the Golden State, 30% more than the increase for New York and Texas combined and equivalent to the entire economy of Sweden. Among the five largest economies, California outperforms the U.S., Japan and Germany with a growth rate exceeded only by China.

California could get $151 billion in new federal aid from the economic relief plan just signed by President Joe Biden, while an estimated $43 billion remains unspent from last year’s aid packages.

https://amp.sacbee.com/news/california/article249893083.html

 

[Ophydian]

When adjusted for cost of living, California has the highest poverty rate in the US

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...alifornia-has-nations-highest-poverty-rate-w/

"If you look at the official poverty measure in California, we’re about average with the rest of the country," Mayes said. "But if you use the supplemental poverty measure, we are in the lead. We have the highest poverty rate in the nation -- higher than New Mexico, higher than any of the southern states, Louisiana, Alabama, higher than Idaho."

Would you rather be poor in Jackson, MS or San Diego, CA?

 

[Ophydian]

GOAT state needs to fix some roads though imo. Tired of beating my vehicles to death lol

Move to Maryland. You’ll leave loving CA roads.

 

[maximus__]

Maybe because CA contributes more Federal tax dollars than it actually takes?

So look at the bailouts as CA being paid back for supporting whatever shithole red state you live in.

I live in Australia.... Whilst I lean to the more conservative side of politics, I couldn't care about your red vs blue state crap. I am here to discuss the actual topic.
The bail out money isn't about paying states back, it's to get the state back on it's feet and help people and businesses. This money isn't free. It's taxed income or the government going into further debt. It has tio be paid back one day and it's not CA that will do it, it's the people living there who will be paying tax. They get to pay back the tax the state was given from their taxes. What a great deal... The money has to come from somewhere and even when they print more it's devaluing it and costing regular people anyway. Giving money to a state for a bail out that doesn't need it is just going to cause more issues in the future.

EDIT: Australia is better than California in each and every state.
https://www.planetware.com/australia/top-rated-beaches-in-australia-aus-1-32.htm

 

[regmma123]

And yet still homeless, feces, and needles as far as the eye can see...

Account bet or what?

 

[PUO3]

Move to Maryland. You’ll leave loving CA roads.

I doubt my truck registration costs $900 in Maryland, and I bet I dont pay $6 every day to cross a bridge.

 

[Jballer]

Move to Maryland. You’ll leave loving CA roads.

What’s up with Maryland drivers anyway? Seems like every time I see an MD plate it’s attached to a car going 30 under the speed limit or swerving unaware into the next lane cutting people off. It’s like the whole state was taught how to drive by little old ladies.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Would you rather be poor in Jackson, MS or San Diego, CA?

And would you rather be poor because your income is very low or have a higher income but have to pay $30K a year in rent (average apartment price in San Diego, compared to $10K in Jackson) and not have a lot left after that?

 

[Ophydian]

And would you rather be poor because your income is very low or have a higher income but have to pay $30K a year in rent (average apartment price in San Diego, compared to $10K in Jackson) and not have a lot left after that?

Id rather live in San Diego. Jackson is a shit hole. Also, I think it’s pretty rare you’ll find someone considered poor living alone paying $2000+ a month in rent.