Social Candace Owens has been dropped from The Daily Wire.

[ShadowRun]

Did you ever watch the show for real? "Politically correct" is what rightists used to call like acceptance of gays and minorities, the way they use "woke" now. So even the show name was the '90s equivalent of "unwoke." Maher was much more aligned with the right in the '90s. Only moved left after his canceling and opposition to Bush, and he was still always moderate. His current views are pretty much mainstream Democrat.

You're equating "now" ideas of the left with the ideas they had in the 90's. Please tell me who was out there wanting gay marriages in the 90's for democrats. Do you think majority of Democrats right now think there are more then 2 genders? I think you attack him the same way the right attacks someone like Mitt. It's a mob mentality and you're better than that.

 

[Ruprecht]

Sorry, no. I reject this. And I don't have to accept it because you speculate.

You're just retreating to the same perspectivist refuge that Trumpists do when they don't like an objective, measured reality. Don't like it? Show me. Show me this chart as judged by those belonging to your political spectrum. Because, towards this logic, the three most commonly cited independent watchdog agencies that rate the partisan bias of all these news agencies have been more compellingly demonstrated to wield a left-leaning bias themselves. As I've learned over the past few decades, you liberals possess a feeble grasp of the reality of populist belief.

The fact of the matter is this: there has been a grand undertaking to weigh and assign the partisan biases of all these media groups. Every group that has done so has arrived at the same conclusion. The mainstream media is leftist. Your protests rooted in personal hypothesis hold no value.

Measured? Via what? The idea that the Stars and Stripes is the height of objective, centrist and factual reporting would literally be a joke in the rest of the world.
Likewise the idea that a publication as blatantly pro-corporate interests as Forbes is "centre-left" is laughable.

 

[Madmick]

Measured? Via what? The idea that the Stars and Stripes is the height of objective, centrist and factual reporting would literally be a joke in the rest of the world.
Likewise the idea that a publication as blatantly pro-corporate interests as Forbes is "centre-left" is laughable.

Just a bunch of babble.

 

[ShadowRun]

Man, where to start.

Yes, Biden kept several of the tariffs and has been widely criticized for it. As I keep saying, the costs are hitting Americans. Was this the point you were actually trying to make? Was that you rolling onto your back and lifting your legs up in submission?

Nice one trotting out the old "Trump started better than Obama" schtick, that never gets old. I'm assuming you didn't actually know Obama inherited a recession which he fixed and handed over to Trump, which is why they stack up this way. I'm assuming you're just stupid and didn't know that, otherwise you're just a disingenuous hack. Also, and you probably don't know this, the Labor Department changed the way they calculate job growth; Obama took a hit but Trump was absolutely crushed.

And finally, did you really look at a chart that displayed a trend starting twenty years ago and call it a chart from twenty years ago? Are you really this bad at thinking on your feet?

AGAIN dummy post your sources from your original post or STFU. Stop wasting my time, yea Obama helped recover the economy and Trump made it better. POST YOUR SOURCES FROM ALL THE BULLSHIT YOU SAID THAT I QUOTED ...

Or move on it's very simple... NON PARTISAN SOURCES POST THEM !

 

[ShadowRun]

Measured? Via what? The idea that the Stars and Stripes is the height of objective, centrist and factual reporting would literally be a joke in the rest of the world.
Likewise the idea that a publication as blatantly pro-corporate interests as Forbes is "centre-left" is laughable.

You must be drunk or high typing this out

 

[ShadowRun]

It's funny how you can convince rubes that your opinion is a fact if you put it in chart form.

What about a chart from 2002?

 

[brothir]

Just a bunch of babble.

Any argument too competent for you to deal with would be babble to you. What did this Ad Fontes Media do to gain access to the Holy Truth of media bias, anyway?

 

[Madmick]

You're equating "now" ideas of the left with the ideas they had in the 90's. Please tell me who was out there wanting gay marriages in the 90's for democrats. Do you think majority of Democrats right now think there are more then 2 genders? I think you attack him the same way the right attacks someone like Mitt. It's a mob mentality and you're better than that.

Why are you even arguing with Jack? He just wrote arguably the most ignorant, deranged thing there I've read on this board this year, and that's quite a feat.

Maher was much more aligned with the right in the '90s. Only moved left after his canceling and opposition to Bush...

He was pro-gay marriage, pro-Abortion, pro-legalization of drugs, supported stiffer anti-monopoly laws, stiffer environmental regulations, stiffer gun control, affirmative action, and rabidly guarded against any encroachment on the state by religious (chiefly Christian) political interests. He voiced support for immigrants, and against racist or nativist attitudes towards Latinos.

He self-identified as a libertarian, but the issues on which I think most would have accepted him as that back in the 90's was that he was vociferously anti-war, desired reduced military spending, and less meddling in foreign governments. This put him in opposition to the neoconservatives, but also the highly unified Republican hawkishness at the time. Hell, I think even back then he supported increases to the minimum wage, tax increases on the wealthy, and fewer tax exemptions for tax-free status. Apart from his advocacy for a more isolationist America, I'm not sure what about him most would describe as "libertarian" except that even mainstream Democrats supported harsher drug laws and prison sentences back then.

In hindsight, if anything, the things that distinguished him from the Democratic party of the 90's made him even more progressive than they were.

 

[Loiosh]

AGAIN dummy post your sources from your original post or STFU. Stop wasting my time, yea Obama helped recover the economy and Trump made it better. POST YOUR SOURCES FROM ALL THE BULLSHIT YOU SAID THAT I QUOTED ...

Or move on it's very simple... NON PARTISAN SOURCES POST THEM !

Why do you need me to source things when I proved my point with the information you provided? You hung yourself with your own rope. Remember, the issue here is that tariffs are bad for the consumer, and you proved that for me. Because you don't understand tariffs.

That's the point, not this side quest that you're shifting the goalposts to.

 

[Madmick]

Any argument too competent for you to deal with would be babble to you. What did this Ad Fontes Media do to gain access to the Holy Truth of media bias, anyway?

Strange how Allsides & Media Bias Fact Checker arrive at the same conclusions (in fact, they typically assign positions further to the left for most of these news bodies).

 

[brothir]

Strange how Allsides & Media Bias Fact Checker arrive at the same conclusions (in fact, they typically assign positions further to the left for most of these news bodies).

If they all have the same presumptions then they would arrive at the same conclusions, which says nothing of the inherent truth of it. Argumentum ad populum, you know.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I'm sorry, it's hard to hear you buried under the mass grave of all your failed economic predictions.

Huh? Like what?

You're equating "now" ideas of the left with the ideas they had in the 90's. Please tell me who was out there wanting gay marriages in the 90's for democrats. Do you think majority of Democrats right now think there are more then 2 genders? I think you attack him the same way the right attacks someone like Mitt. It's a mob mentality and you're better than that.

No, I'm not even attacking him. I'm just saying that he's currently a mainstream Democrat, and in the '90s, he was on the right.

 

[Madmick]

No, I'm not even attacking him. I'm just saying that he's currently a mainstream Democrat, and in the '90s, he was on the right.

 

[Madmick]

If they all have the same presumptions then they would arrive at the same conclusions, which says nothing of the inherent truth of it. Argumentum ad populum, you know.

They are all separate bodies, with separate methodologies, and separate people, yet arriving at the same conclusion when objectively measuring the substance of news material.

Do you have anything to contribute besides bitching and moaning that the reality of the world doesn't conform to your personal bias? This is pure ad hominem. You realize that, right? Show me the group methodology that weighs these news organizations, and calls them right-wing.

I'll wait.

 

[ShadowRun]

Why do you need me to source things when I proved my point with the information you provided? You hung yourself with your own rope. Remember, the issue here is that tariffs are bad for the consumer, and you proved that for me. Because you don't understand tariffs.

That's the point, not this side quest that you're shifting the goalposts to.

lol good sources , I should of known you are full of shit. Stop wasting my time on here

 

[ShadowRun]

Huh? Like what?

No, I'm not even attacking him. I'm just saying that he's currently a mainstream Democrat, and in the '90s, he was on the right.

You also said in 2016 CNN gave more favorable stories to Trump compared to Hillary . I don’t understand where you come up with this outrageous claims , got some proof or sources , I know you usually do compared to @Loiosh who just has opinions

 

[Jack V Savage]

Typically coherent argument for you.

 

[brothir]

They are all separate bodies, with separate methodologies, and separate people, yet arriving at the same conclusion when objectively measuring the substance of news material.

Do you have anything to contribute besides bitching and moaning that the reality of the world doesn't conform to your personal bias? This is pure ad hominem. You realize that, right? Show me the group methodology that weighs these news organizations, and calls them right-wing.

I'll wait.

You don't even know my position on this, let alone what my bias is or what causes it. My complaint is that you dismissed the argument of @Ruprecht as "babble" without cause. If you have such confidence in that image and it in is fact substantial that's not how you would've continued that argument.

Hypocritical, then, that you want me to show the "group methodology" that is actually correct, when I'm not necessarily convinced that it's meaningful to organize media outlets along those two axes. "Close enough is good enough" would not cut it in terms of methodological principles and output.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You also said in 2016 CNN gave more favorable stories to Trump compared to Hillary . I don’t understand where you come up with this outrageous claims , got some proof or sources , I know you usually do compared to @Loiosh who just has opinions

Sources for what? I watched his '90s show, and I watch his show now. I pointed out that it was even called "Politically Incorrect." He called himself a (right-wing) libertarian then. This isn't even a controversial point. I thought you said you watched his old show.

Also, you're not quite right on my position about CNN in 2016, but I think it’s kind of trolly to even try to switch to another topic like that.

 

[Loiosh]

lol good sources , I should of known you are full of shit. Stop wasting my time on here

The issue was you not understanding tariffs and them hurting Americans. You went ahead and proved that all by yourself, what do I need sources to prove? Use your words.

FYI, and you should listen carefully here, tariffs create a cost that can be worth it if they achieve a long term goal with a worth that exceeds that cost. Trump, the excellent businessman who managed to bankrupt casinos despite his advisors warning exactly how it was going to happen, didn't understand that. Neither do you.

Amazing how the closer to the election we get, the less you pretend to hate Trump.