International Catalonia's Rebellion: 170,000 Spaniards in Madrid March Against Amnesty Plan for Catalan Secessionists

Treat em like any rebel/terrorist uprising mobilize the military and crush them
 
Spain’s king calls independence vote by Catalonia ‘totally outside law and democracy’
By William Booth October 3 at 5:43 PM

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BARCELONA — In remarks unprecedented in modern-day Spain, King Felipe VI told the nation in a televised address Tuesday that the separatist government in Catalonia had acted “totally outside law and democracy” by staging a disputed referendum on independence.

The king charged, “They have meant to fracture Spain.”

Sitting at his desk in Zarzuela Palace in Madrid, the king said the central government must ensure constitutional order in Catalonia.

The Spanish constitution describes the monarch as head of state and commander in chief, although the king serves a largely symbolic role these days. He traditionally addresses the nation during the Christmas holidays — not during political crises. Felipe’s address reminded some of his father’s appearance when he faced down the 1981 coup attempt.

His words are likely to bolster the central government’s case that the Catalan separatists have gone too far — and may signal new get-tough measures by Madrid against the Barcelona rebellion.
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As the king addressed the nation, trade unions in Catalonia led a powerful general strike Tuesday that shut down businesses, highways and schools in a mass protest against police violence during the region’s chaotic independence vote.

Carles Puigdemont, the regional president and a leading secessionist, said Sunday that Catalonia had won “the right to independence,” and Monday he called on European leaders to support the cause.

But Spain’s European affairs minister, Jorge Toledo, told Politico that the crisis was a Spanish internal matter and that any future discussions must be between the central and regional governments.

“You can change the law, you can oppose it, but you cannot disobey it,” Toledo said.

According to the Catalan government, which announced the referendum results early Monday, 90 percent of the voters chose independence. More than 2 million people voted yes, while fewer than 177,000 voted no, the regional government said.

The turnout for the referendum was 42 percent, Catalan authorities said.
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Many Catalans who were against declaring an independent state did not vote, some saying they felt intimidated.

Some of that intimidation was visible as the general strike began Tuesday morning, with groups of young people marching in the neighborhoods, shutting down intersections, heckling taxis and blocking tourist buses, warning the drivers against breaking the general strike.

Most shops and cafes had pulled their metal shutters down. Those small businesses that remained open faced crowds that banged on their doors or spray-painted their shop windows with slogans.

Several activists surrounded a deliveryman with a handcart loaded with milk cartons. He told them in tough Spanish — not in the region’s Catalan language — that he could not care less about their strike and that they should get out of his way, or else.

When marchers tried to force a pharmacy to close its doors, Gregorio Peña, a retired banker, came to the pharmacy workers’ aid.

“Leave them alone!” he shouted.

Peña, who opposed Sunday’s referendum, said he thought Catalans were being manipulated — “brainwashed” — by hardcore secessionists.

Surveys taken in the months before Sunday’s referendum show Catalans roughly divided between those who wanted an independent republic and those who wanted to remain in Spain.

“What we are seeing now is the part of Catalonia that controls the government, with a minority government, which in a best-case scenario never got more than 46 percent of the vote, trying to change the rules and impose on the other part of Catalonia and on the whole of the country a revolution,” said Catalan lawyer Ignasi Guardans, a former member of the European Parliament.

The Catalan filmmaker Isabel Coixet said pro-independence authorities have muffled debate.

“We are completely silenced,” she said. “They have created a climate of tension in which anyone who doesn’t agree with them doesn’t exist and is discredited. And, honestly, there are so many people keeping quiet. The biggest problem I see is the double fracture that has been created — the division with Spain and the division between the Catalans.”

Coixet said the “independence narrative” sells well abroad but doesn’t reflect the silent majority at home.
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Just like when the south tried to succeed this is nothing more than terrorist rebels. If 95% of Catalonia voted for civil war then obliterate 95% of the population as rebels.
 
Rav1nHunter said:
If 95% of Catalonia voted for civil war then obliterate 95% of the population as rebels.
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I'm going to go ahead and disagree with your take at this point. I'm not really for or against Catalonian independence, but I firmly believe that 95% of their population should not be obliterated.
 
Rav1nHunter said:
Just like when the south tried to succeed this is nothing more than terrorist rebels. If 95% of Catalonia voted for civil war then obliterate 95% of the population as rebels.
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Now you're just pulling random numbers out of thin air.

None of the news coverage posted here in this thread even remotely suggesting that "95% of Catalonia" want Independence.

In fact, they all said the secession crow is well less than half of the Catalan population.
 
IngaVovchanchyn said:
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with your take at this point. I'm not really for or against Catalonian independence, but I firmly believe that 95% of their population should not be obliterated.
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I'm not being serious just messing around because we in the war room support some rebels as freedom fighters then condemn others as terrorists.

Confederates=bad
Catalonians=good
Crimea=bad
Syrian free army=good
 
How many independence movements are current afoot in Europe?

Aren't a number of the countries in Europe made up of collections of former countries, kingdoms, and fiefdoms from centuries ago?
 
Maybe if the EU ignores it just a little bit harder it will all just go away .
 
Fluffernutter said:
How many independence movements are current afoot in Europe?

Aren't a number of the countries in Europe made up of collections of former countries, kingdoms, and fiefdoms from centuries ago?
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Couldn't tell you how accurate/active a lot of these independence movements are.
 
Would have been better if they just allowed them to have their silly little fake vote in the first place and then just ignored the results.

Certainly a better look than sending in stormtroopers to beat up grandma.
 
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