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Carles Puigdemont: The man who wants to break up Spain

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The drive for independence that delivered the banned 1 October referendum did not begin under his leadership. But such is his zeal for secession, that Catalonia's President Carles Puigdemont is prepared to risk its existing autonomy to achieve it.

In defiance of the law and Spain's constitution, he has pushed forward in the hope of international recognition.

It may well be a doomed journey in the eyes of Spain's allies in Brussels and Washington - but the meek-looking village baker's son from Girona is undaunted.

Spanish lessons

Born in Amer in 1962, he grew up under the dictatorship of Gen Francisco Franco and was taught in Spanish at a church-run boarding school, but spoke Catalan at home like others of his generation.

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Joan Matamala, a few years his senior at the school, remembers the boy everyone got on with, even the older pupils.

Mr Matamala runs a bookshop, Les Voltes, that has been promoting Catalan language and culture in Girona for 50 years. The young Puigdemont did not come over as a natural leader at the time but he was someone you did not forget, he says.

As a young man, Puigdemont had a passion for his native tongue, going on to study Catalan philology at the local university and polishing colleagues' copy when he first found work in the city's newspapers.

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Miquel Riera worked with him at the fiercely pro-independence paper now known as El Punt Avui, often late into the night.

"Right from the start he was very interested in new technology and the internet," says Mr Riera. This may have fed Puigdemont's awareness of social media, which was crucial in promoting the referendum campaign.

"He's a man who makes friends easily," says Mr Riera, whose 25-year-old son, he says, was bruised on the chest by a police rifle butt at a polling station on Sunday.

Mr Puigdemont served as mayor of Girona from 2011 until 2016 when he was elected regional president of Catalonia.

There is no denying his star appeal among his supporters, who clamour to take selfies with him at rallies.

His popularity cuts across class, coming as he does from comparatively modest origins, outside the Catalan elite which dominated the local centre-right alliance, Convergence and Union (now known as the Catalan European Democratic Party), for years.

"Puigdemont has been absolutely key to bringing Catalonia to where we are now," says Montse Daban, international chairperson of the Catalan National Assembly, a grassroots pro-independence movement.

"He's been an absolute and positive surprise for Catalan citizens, who were already supporting the independence process and saw with dismay that it was facing several burdens."

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But his actions have brought him into conflict with Spanish law. And in the eyes of Spain's government, the Catalan leader has ruthlessly created a crisis, burning all the bridges in order to make a unilateral declaration of independence.

"Democracy is not about voting - there are referenda in dictatorships too," a Madrid government source told the BBC. "Only when you vote with guarantees according to the law is it a democracy."

The images of violence at the polling stations were "150% part of Puigdemont's plan", the source said.

"It's unfortunate because it was a trap. There's no doubt it looks bad for the Spanish government."

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Mr Puigdemont talks the language of independence in a way his more cautious predecessor, Artur Mas, did not during the dry run referendum of 2014, which was also banned by Madrid.

Speaking to the BBC following Sunday's violence, Mr Puigdemont said: "I think we've won the right to be heard, but what I find harder to understand is this indifference - or absolute lack of interest - in understanding what is happening here. They've never wanted to listen to us.

"How can we explain to the world that Europe is a paradise of democracy if we hit old women and people who've done nothing wrong? This is not acceptable. We haven't seen such a disproportionate and brutal use of force since the death of the dictator Franco."

He has called for mediation - something the Spanish government says is unacceptable.

A Madrid source dismissed the idea, telling the BBC it would be "mediation between Spanish government and part of the Spanish state… mediation between law and someone who has no framework.

"Mediation about what?"

Rebellion

According to the same source, Mr Puigdemont is bypassing his own party in his zeal to declare independence, meeting grassroots pro-independence groups instead of conducting regional government business.

Would Mr Puigdemont risk a split at the top of the independence movement that could be fatal to the cause?

Out on the streets, expectations have soared as the concepts of independence and democracy blur into one.

Some independence supporters seem to have lost all fear of the Spanish police as their sense of outrage over Sunday's violence grows.

A handwritten poster on a Girona shop front reads: "Whoever sows rebellion reaps freedom. 1 October."

"He may be Spain's most dangerous man, since he seems to be heading towards a unilateral declaration of independence," says Manuel Arias Maldonado, political science professor at Málaga University.

"A different question is whether he controls at all what happens in Catalonia right now.

"If this is a revolution - and it looks like one - his power is diminished since he cannot dictate events."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41508660
 
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Carles Puigdemont accuses King Felipe VI of being government mouthpiece



Catalonia’s president has accused King Felipe of Spain of acting as a mouthpiece for the Spanish government as the country wrestles with the region’s secession crisis and has vowed to press on with plans to declare independence over the next week.

Speaking three days after his government’s unilaterally held independence referendum was marred by police violence, Carles Puigdemont said Catalans were united as never before but added he was disappointed by the king’s recent intervention.

“The king endorses the discourse and policies of the government of [prime minister Mariano] Rajoy, which have been catastrophic for Catalonia and deliberately ignore the millions of Catalans who do not think like them,” he said.

Addressing himself directly to the king, he added: “Not like this. Your decision yesterday disappointed many people in Catalonia.”

King Felipe had said on Tuesday night the Catalan authorities were attempting to break “the unity of Spain” and said their push for independence could put at risk the country’s social and economic stability.

In a rare and strongly worded television address he described the regional government’s actions as “an unacceptable attempt” to take over Catalan institutions, adding that it had placed itself outside democracy and the law.

Puigdemont on Wednesday repeated his calls for dialogue and mediation with Madrid but said his government was still planning to take the results of the referendum to the Catalan parliament over the next few days to prepare for a declaration of independence.

“I have to represent all of Catalonia’s citizens,” he said. “On Sunday we had a referendum under the most difficult circumstances and set an example of who we are. Peace and accord is part of who we are. We have to apply the results of the referendum. We have to present the results of the referendum to parliament.”

The Spanish government, which has accused Puigdemont of engaging in blackmail, was quick to respond. The deputy prime minister, Soraya Sáenz de Santamaría, said that he had squandered an opportunity to steer the region back toward co-existence, adding: “If Mr Puigdemont wants to talk or negotiate or send mediators, he knows perfectly well what he needs to do: get back on the legal path that he should never have abandoned.”

In an interview with the German newspaper Bild on Thursday, Puigdemont said he had not discounted the possibility that he could be arrested, but said he was not afraid.

“I’m not surprised any more about what the Spanish government is doing,” he said. “My arrest is also possible, which would be a barbaric step.”

More than 900 people were injured on Sunday after Spanish police attempted to halt the vote by raiding polling stations, beating would-be voters and firing rubber bullets at crowds.

Despite the Spanish authorities’ attempts to stop the referendum, which both the government and the country’s constitutional court had declared illegal, 2.26 million of Catalonia’s 5.3 million registered voters took part.

The figures suggest that that turnout was only around 43% as many Catalans who oppose independence boycotted the poll for fear of lending it legitimacy.

According to the Catalan government 90% of participants voted for the region to become independent.

Puigdemont told the BBC on Tuesday that Catalonia would not abandon its quest for independence and warned the Spanish government that any move to stop the independence process by using article 155 of the constitution to take control of the region could be the “ultimate mistake”.

The EU’s executive on Wednesday had called for the Spanish and Catalan governments to begin talks over the biggest political challenge Spain has faced since its return to democracy four decades ago – but said Madrid had the right to use “proportionate force” to uphold the law.

Addressing the European parliament in Strasbourg on Wednesday, Frans Timmermans, the vice-president of the European commission, said the images emerging from Catalonia were saddening but it was clear that the regional government had “chosen to ignore the law” when organising the referendum.

“Let me be clear: violence does not solve anything in politics. It is never the answer, never a solution. It can never be used as a weapon or instrument,” he said. “Europe knows this better than anywhere else … It is a duty of any government to uphold the rule of law and this does sometimes require proportionate use of force.”

Timmermans said it was “time to talk” and backed the Spanish prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, to bring the dispute to a peaceful resolution. He said the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, was in touch with Rajoy but stressed that the vote on Sunday was “not legal” and it was “an internal matter”.

Puigdemont and other senior Catalan politicians, including the mayor of Barcelona, Ada Colau, have called repeatedly for the EU to weigh in on the issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...anish-catalan-talks-after-referendum-violence
 
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Maybe if the EU ignores it just a little bit harder it will all just go away .

Ignoring problems until they go away should be made the 4th pillar of the EU.
It could be called "Merkel doctrine" because she has been ruling like that for 11 years.
 
Madrid representative in Catalonia apologizes for police violence during independence vote

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MADRID (Reuters) - The Spanish government’s official representative in Catalonia apologized on Friday for the violent response by Spanish police to protesters who were attempting to vote in a banned independence referendum in the region on Sunday.

“When I see these images, and more so when I know people have been hit, pushed and even one person who hospitalized, I can’t help but regret it and apologize on behalf of the officers that intervened,” Enric Millo said in a television interview.

It was the first apology by a Madrid government official over the clashes and could be seen as a conciliatory gesture to Catalan leaders who plan a unilateral declaration of independence of the region from Spain.

The police action, which according to Catalan health authorities around 900 injured, has been widely condemned by human rights groups as excessive force on a civilian population.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...olence-during-independence-vote-idUSKBN1CB1DB
 
Catalan parliament defies Madrid pressure, works on independence declaration

Catalan secessionists were working on Friday toward a unilateral declaration of independence from Spain that could be adopted next week in defiance of a court order and increased economic pressure from Madrid.

After Spain’s Constitutional Court suspended a session of the Catalan regional parliament set for Monday, which had been expected to endorse an independence declaration, the parliament said the region’s pro-independence leader Carles Puigdemont would address the assembly at 6 p.m. (1600 GMT) on Tuesday.

Madrid apologized for the first time on Friday for police use of violence in trying to hinder a weekend referendum it had declared illegal. That crackdown raised the temperature of a confrontation that has grown into the worst political crisis for decades in Spain.

A Catalan legislator was quoted by El Mundo newspaper as saying secessionist parties in the Catalan parliament were discussing an independence declaration to be submitted to the assembly next Tuesday.

“We are in talks about a text, with paper and pencil, on the declaration that we want the regional parliament to accept on Tuesday,” Carles Riera, a lawmaker from the pro-independence CUP (Popular Unity Candidacy), was quoted as saying.

“Nobody has put forward any scenario of delay, ambiguity or confusion. We are not working on that scenario,” he said.

The stakes are high for the euro zone’s fourth-largest economy. Catalonia is the source of a huge chunk of its tax revenue and hosts multinationals from carmaker Volkswagen to drugs firm AstraZeneca (AZN.L).

The Catalan region’s head of foreign affairs, Raul Romeva, told the BBC earlier that the Catalan parliament intended to make a decision on independence, without specifying when.

“Parliament will discuss, parliament will meet. It will be a debate and this is important,” Romeva said.

The Spanish government stepped up economic pressure on the Catalan government on Friday by passing a law to make it easier for companies to move their operations around the country, potentially dealing a blow to the region’s finances.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rks-on-independence-declaration-idUSKBN1CB106
 
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Catalan insurgency.
 
Just wait until they actually do it and then send the tanks.
 
Between 350,000 and 930,000 - depending on source - at a single Demo in Barcelona for Spanish unity and against secession.

Many companies have announced or are preparing HQ shifts.

The Catalan government better back the fuck down.
 
Hundreds of Thousands of Catalans Rally in Barcelona Against Independence
High turnout represents rare show of strength for pro-union movement
By Jeannette Neumann and Giovanni Legorano | Oct. 8, 2017



BARCELONA—Hundreds of thousands of Spaniards gathered in Barcelona on Sunday to decry Catalonia’s secessionist push, a bid by pro-union groups to build momentum against a unilateral declaration of independence that could come as soon as this week.

The demonstration in central Barcelona, the capital of Spain’s Catalonia region, is a rare show of strength for the pro-union movement, whose gatherings have typically attracted several thousand protesters in recent years, compared with the hundreds of thousands routinely mobilized by pro-independence groups.

On Sunday, though, Barcelona’s streets were filled with an atypical sight: people waving red-and-yellow Spanish flags, unfurled alongside Catalan regional flags.

“For some time now, nationalism has been wreaking havoc in Catalonia and that’s why we’re here, to stop it,” Nobel Literature Prize laureate Mario Vargas Llosa told the 930,000 people gathered, according to organizers. Local police in Barcelona put that figure at closer to 350,000. Such discrepancies are common.

“We are fed up with this situation. We haven’t been out on the street until now, but this time around has been so surreal, so unfair, that we had to do something,” Juan Maldonado, a 52-year-old electrician from Barcelona said, as people chanted “here are the other Catalans.”

Polls by the region’s survey agency indicate that more than a third of Catalans support an independent Catalonia, although sentiment could have shifted following the Oct. 1 independence referendum, which was marred by clashes between police and voters and declared illegal by Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy.

Catalan President Carles Puigdemont is expected to address Catalonia’s regional parliament on Tuesday and could make a declaration of independence.

“We will prevent independence from materializing,” Mr. Rajoy said in an interview published Sunday by top Spanish daily El País. “I can say with absolute frankness that it won’t happen.” He said he didn’t rule out invoking constitutional powers that would allow him to seize control of the regional Catalan government.

Lawmakers who led Sunday’s demonstration were mainly from Mr. Rajoy’s center-right Popular Party and from centrist Ciudadanos.

Tens of thousands of people had also gathered across Spain on Saturday, many dressed in white, to call for talks between political leaders to resolve the country’s greatest political crisis in decades.

The pro-union march on Sunday adds to building momentum against secession, putting additional pressure on moderate separatists to seek another route, such as pulling back and focusing on talks with the central government or calling new regional elections. Some lawmakers in Catalonia’s parliament, where separatists have a majority of seats, say new elections could increase their representation in the assembly and strengthen their hand in potential talks with Madrid.

Last week, several flagship Catalan companies, such as CaixaBank SA and Gas Natural SDG SA, said they were shifting their legal headquarters outside of Catalonia on fears of a declaration of independence. Investors had punished their share prices for being based in the restive region. Although the moves are largely symbolic, simply requiring more board meetings in the cities they choose to move to, the announcements still dealt a blow to moderate separatists who had promised supporters that such moves wouldn’t happen.

Emiliano Valmorisco, a 36-year-old bus driver, was holding up a sign warning about the impact of companies leaving Catalonia. “We have just been through the crisis and we are worried again for the economy,” he said. Spain is four years into a robust economic recovery after a deep recession triggered by a real estate boom gone bust.

One organizer of Sunday’s demonstration, which calls for a “return to reason,” said the gathering would be a “catharsis” for many pro-union Catalans who say they have felt impotent during the past several weeks as Catalan authorities prepared for and then staged a referendum that was suspended by a top Spanish court and which the central government in Madrid says violates the constitution’s pledge of Spain’s “indissoluble unity.”

Catalan authorities say 40% of the region’s roughly five million eligible voters cast a ballot in the referendum, with nine in ten voting in favor of secession.

However, the referendum was plagued by irregularities, such as the absence of an officially-approved census to determine who was eligible to vote. Many Catalans also say they boycotted the vote.

“The referendum was illegal, as simple as that. That’s why I didn’t vote,” said David Galega, a 36-year-old laboratory technician in Barcelona, during Sunday’s demonstration.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/thousa...inst-catalan-independence-1507463271?mod=e2fb
 
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Very interesting

Trying to declare independence when only 20% of Catalans voted in the referendum is a non-starter in my opinion

I have no idea how this is going to play out but it's quite interesting

Time to contact an old Spanish friend
 
'Catalonia Is Spain.'
Spanish Unionists Lead Huge Barcelona Rally
Joseph Wilson and Frank Griffiths / AP | Oct 08, 2017

(BARCELONA) — Spanish unionists in Catalonia finally found their voice on Sunday, resurrecting Spain's flag as a symbol of patriotism after decades of it being associated with the Franco dictatorship.

In a defiant challenge to plans by Catalonia's regional government to unilaterally declare independence, hundreds of thousands of people flooded the streets of Barcelona in a surprising outpouring of Spanish unity.

They chanted "Don't be fooled, Catalonia is Spain" and called for regional president Carles Puigdemont to go to prison for holding an illegal referendum last week. Some of the demonstrators took to rooftops, including families with children, and leaned over ledges from their perches overlooking the streets below to wave giant Spanish flags in a city accustomed to the prevalence of the Catalan pro-independence "estelada."

Spain's red-and-yellow flag has long been taboo here in Catalonia and throughout the country because it has been linked to groups supportive of Gen. Francisco Franco's dictatorship. But on Sunday, a sea of Spanish flags, interspersed with some Catalan and European Union flags, dominated Barcelona's boulevards.

Barcelona police said 350,000 people participated, while march organizers Societat Civil Catalana said that 930,000 people turned out. The march was peaceful and no major incidents were reported.

Puigdemont has pledged to push ahead for independence and is set to address the regional parliament on Tuesday "to report on the current political situation." In the days after the Oct. 1 referendum, the momentum appeared to be on his side. Pro-independence protests were attracting large numbers and he benefited politically from a violent crackdown by Spanish police during the referendum voting.

But now the tide seems to be turning. Catalonia's top two banks announced they were relocating their headquarters to other parts of Spain because of financial uncertainty if there is an independence declaration. Other companies are reportedly considering leaving Catalonia to avoid being cast out of the EU and its common market in the case of secession.

And Sunday's mass demonstration by pro-unity Catalans, under the slogan of "Let's recover our common sense!" will put further pressure on Puigdemont. The march was the largest pro-unionist showing since the rise of separatist sentiment in the prosperous northeastern region that has pushed Spain to the brink of a national crisis.

The rally comes a week after the Catalan government went ahead and held a referendum on secession that Spain's top court had suspended and the Spanish government said was illegal.

Catalan authorities say the "Yes" side won the referendum with 90 percent of the vote, though only 43 percent of the region's 5.3 million eligible voters turned out in polling that was marred by police raids of polling stations on orders to confiscate ballot boxes.

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy vows that his government will not allow Catalonia, which represents a fifth of Spain's economy, to break away from the rest of the country.

In an interview with the Spanish newspaper El Pais published Sunday, Rajoy said that he will consider employing any measure "allowed by the law" to stop the region's separatists.

Rajoy said that includes the application of Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution, which would allow the central government to take control of the governance of a region "if the regional government does not comply with the obligations of the Constitution."

"The ideal situation would be that I don't have to find drastic solutions, but for that to happen there will have to be some rectifications (by Catalan leaders)," Rajoy said.

Rallies were held Saturday in Madrid, Barcelona and other cities to demand that Rajoy and Puigdemont negotiate to find a solution to Spain's worst political crisis in nearly four decades.

"I hope that nothing will happen. Because (Catalonia) is going to lose more than (Spain) because businesses are fleeing from here already," said protester Juliana Prats, a Barcelona resident. "I hope it will remain like it has been up until now, 40 years of peace."

The rally drew Spaniards from outside the northeastern region to the Catalan capital. One group held a large banner boasting "Marbella," a town on Spain's southern coast. An AP reporter spoke with another man who had come from the northern Basque Country region.

Nobel Literature Prize laureate Mario Vargas Llosa and former president of the European Parliament Josep Borrell addressed the rally.

"Besides Catalans, there are thousands of men and women from all corners of Spain who have come to tell their Catalan companions that they are not alone," said Llosa, who took on Spanish citizenship in addition to that of his native Peru in 1993. "We want Barcelonato once again be the capital of Spanish culture."

Borrell added that: "Catalonia is not a state like Kosovo where rights were systematically violated."

The most recent polls taken before the referendum showed that Catalonia's 7.5 million residents were roughly split over secession, while a majority would support an official referendum on independence if it were condoned by Spanish authorities

Rajoy's government has repeatedly refused to grant Catalonia permission to hold a referendum on grounds that it is unconstitutional since it would only poll a portion of Spain's 46 million residents.

Catalonia's separatists camp has grown in recent years, strengthened by Spain's recent economic crisis and by Madrid's rejection of attempts to increase self-rule in the region.

http://time.com/4974067/spain-catalonia-independence-unionists-rally/
 
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'We have to raise our voices' – Catalans rally to the pro-unity cause
The so-called silent majority in Catalonia who oppose independence from Spain make their feelings known in Barcelona

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Barcelona was a city accustomed to protests even before the independence referendum earlier this month that has provoked Spain’s biggest political crisis in 40 years.

Every 11 September for the past five years, hundreds of thousands of people have thronged its streets on Catalonia’s national day – La Diada de Catalunya – to call loudly but peacefully for independence from Spain.

But until late on Sunday morning, one group had been conspicuous by its absence – the so-called silent majority of Catalans who want to remain part of Spain.

“We have perhaps been silent too long,” said Alejandro Marcos, 44, one demonstrator among the hundreds of thousands who gathered in Barcelona to protest against the Catalan government’s decision to push for independence.

“It seems that the one who yells the most wins the argument. So we have to raise our voices and say loud and clear that we do not want independence.”

The organisers of the demonstration, which was addressed by the Nobel prize-winning novelist Mario Vargas Llosa, put the turnout at more than one million. The local police were more conservative, counting about 350,000 participants.

Whatever the total, the proliferation of Spanish, Catalan and European flags – not to mention the cries of “Don’t be fooled, Catalonia is Spain” and the chants of “Viva España! Viva Catalonia!” – were sufficient to make the point.

“The unity of Spain cannot be voted on or negotiated – it must be defended,” read one sign in the crowd.

Javier Pérez, a 36-year-old, teacher who was on the demonstration, said: “I joined the demonstration today because I believe there’s a problem between official Catalonia and those it silences, that doesn’t consider Spanish-speakers here as real Catalans

“I went to say stop ignoring us, we’re Catalans like you, talk to us, don’t negotiate in the name of Catalans when you are only speaking for your Catalans. I went because I want to stop being treated as a second-class citizen.”

“I love Catalonia,” said Fidelia Trabado, a 68-year-old retired cleaner who moved to the region when she was 18, who was wearing a cap with the Spanish flag at the rally.

“I have worked my whole life to lift Catalonia up,” she said. “What they are doing is destroying it.”

“We found the atmosphere almost festive, as if people were relieved to finally break the silence,” said Co Govers , a Dutch woman who has lived in Barcelona for 10 years.

Others had come from farther afield to show their solidarity as the prospect of a unilateral declaration of independence by the Catalan government looms.

Juan Gil-Casares, who works in Madrid but had travelled to Barcelona with his family, said he had felt compelled to make the journey. “A lot of ordinary Catalans felt under pressure,” he said. “We decided to come and support our compatriots and show them that they are not alone.”

Araceli Ponze, 72, said that many people felt both Catalan and Spanish. “We are facing a tremendous unknown,” shesaid. “We will see what happens this week, but we have to speak out very loudly so they know what we want.”

“I’m here because I don’t want Catalonia to separate from Spain,” another protester explained. “I am both Spanish and Catalan from Catalonia.”

Vargas Llosa, who accused the Catalan government of trying to execute a coup d’état, told the crowd that nationalism “has filled European history – and that of Spain and the world – with war, bloody and corpses”.

Josep Borrell, the former president of the European parliament, waved a European Union flag, adding, in a reference to the banner flown by pro-independence Catalans, “this is our estelada”.

He attacked some of the rhetoric being used in the independence campaign. “Catalonia isn’t like Lithuania, Kosovo or Algeria,” he said. “It’s not an occupied or militarised territory.”

Alex Ramos, the vice-president of Societat Civil Catalana, the pro-unity group that called the rally under the slogan “Let’s recover our common sense”, said that Sunday had been an long overdue expression of the feelings of the majority of Catalan society.

“What we’ve seen today has been a social escape valve,” he said. “It’s been a cathartic expression, with people saying: ‘Look, enough! Stop dividing us’.

“Let’s get back our common sense. We can’t have a social and political relationship if one sector is imposing something on another. There has to be a negotiation. If we’re going to decided the future, we need to decide it together.

“It’s been very moving, but I think it’s just the start of something, of people saying: ‘We’re never going to be left out of building our own future’. You can’t have one part of society deciding the future without talking to another really important part.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ce-from-spain-silent-majority-rally-barcelona
 
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I'm not being serious just messing around because we in the war room support some rebels as freedom fighters then condemn others as terrorists.

You're right, we should look into WHY some rebel and cast them as good guys only if their reasons are legitimate.

Seceding in order to continue enslaving people = bad

Seceding against a state that's oppressed you in the past = maybe not outright good, but unquestionably not bad.
 
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