Compare Khabib's grappling to Fedor's.

Both guys Are among the best grapplers we have ever seen in mma.

The reason they work a bit different on TDSprobably has to do with weightclass And relative speed. Fedor also had better striking, so it was easier to get on the inside.
 
He might have been good at getting out of bad positions at times, but he couldn't get out from Mark Hunt in side control
 
"Grappling" does not only mean BJJ submissions, so no submitting a specialist at their own specialty is not a knock against his "grappling".

If he was able to ground Nog and keep him down and not be subbed himself, that is still very high level grappling.
 
george14 said:
So Fedor beating the ever loving shit out of Big Nog didn't satisfy you because he didn't submit him?
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I don't know how much more clear he can be than saying "Only thing against Fedors' grappling in my opinion, is that he does have submission wins, but he never had any notable against opponents with a BJJ blackbelt, which says something."

I don't believe he said "Fedor never beat a guy with a BJJ blackbelt." So... I don't really understand your issue with the post.
 
WhuffieCollector said:
"Grappling" does not only mean BJJ submissions, so no submitting a specialist at their own specialty is not a knock against his "grappling".

If he was able to ground Nog and keep him down and not be subbed himself, that is still very high level grappling.
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to add to your post, i would reference Randy Couture v Big Nog.

Nog didn't come close to subbing Randy. but he certainly won that grappling contest.
 
Mr.Maelstrom said:
Also Khabib doesn't routinely beat substantially bigger guys, which fedor did (albeit of a lesser quality of fighter)
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they weren't of lesser quality.

Khabib is starting to suffer the Cain Velasquez treatment, because he dominates people, people are beginning to act like he's beaten god tier fighters.

his best win was RDA 4 years ago.

Fedor fought SEMMY SCHILT, arguably the greatest kickboxer ever, King of Pancrase. Tim Sylvia and Arlovski, are 2 former UFC champions. Big Nog RINGS champion, and Mark Hunt are all top level, Arlovski and Mark Hunt are STILL ranked.

Fedor did beat some cans like Zulu and Yuji Nagata but he also beat some of the best HWs on earth when they were still relevant.
 
JustOnce said:
He might have been good at getting out of bad positions at times, but he couldn't get out from Mark Hunt in side control
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Hunt staying close of course isn't easy to do that much against, look at the 1st round of his fight with Werdum for example. As soon as Hunt tried to make any distance to do anything though Fedor escaped pretty quickly from subs and bad positions.

Generally I think he was fighting to his opponent in that match as indeed vs Coleman the 1st time, giving those kinds of guys position is obviously much less risky than giving it to someone like Nog, the real threat from Hunt was always standing.
 
Khabib has better top control and gnp, both never subbed anybody good.
 
Paul Harvey said:
I don't know how much more clear he can be than saying "Only thing against Fedors' grappling in my opinion, is that he does have submission wins, but he never had any notable against opponents with a BJJ blackbelt, which says something."

I don't believe he said "Fedor never beat a guy with a BJJ blackbelt." So... I don't really understand your issue with the post.
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That is my point though. His point seems a bit ridiculous to me.

It's like saying Fighter A never KO'd a fighter with an elite chin. I don't even understand the point if he decisively won. Seems like an unnecessary dig.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
they weren't of lesser quality.

Khabib is starting to suffer the Cain Velasquez treatment, because he dominates people, people are beginning to act like he's beaten god tier fighters.

his best win was RDA 4 years ago.

Fedor fought SEMMY SCHILT, arguably the greatest kickboxer ever, King of Pancrase. Tim Sylvia and Arlovski, are 2 former UFC champions. Big Nog RINGS champion, and Mark Hunt are all top level, Arlovski and Mark Hunt are STILL ranked.

Fedor did beat some cans like Zulu and Yuji Nagata but he also beat some of the best HWs on earth when they were still relevant.
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Agreed
 
Khabib has the best top control in MMA history, but Fedor had the most explosive and devastating GnP in MMA history

So it's really up to personal preference
 
moreorless87 said:
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In terms of GnP Khabib goes much more for the relentless, I mean he makes more range for it than most wrestlers so it does have power but he doesn't have the one shot power Fedor did. I think that power is underrated just because Nog and Herring were so dam tough, the majority of HW's would have been TKOed fast when he opened up like that or maybe even straight KOed.
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I'm convinced Herring was concussed in the early stages of that fight. When he literally slipped under the ropes and out of the ring to escape Fedor's GNP? That seemed like pure concussion autopilot survival mode
 
Both have excellent grappling.

Fedor had amazing hips back in his prime days. I think he lost alot of mobility during the later stage of his career. You could see it in his fights against Bigfoot/Rogers/Hendo. In his prime his hips seemed to be in constant stage of maneuvering from the bottom...Constant activity. He would use that hip power along with speed/timing/technique against much larger dudes.

He also regressed into a brawler, so those amazing takedowns he used to hit by chaining his striking along with the judo/wrestling was something else. His casting punch into hip throw was a good technique.

Where I see a clear difference in styles between Fedor and Khabib, Khabib is more about control on top rather than damage. Not saying he doesn't do damage, his is more of an accumulative onslaught over time. While Fedor wasn't big on gaining position first before landing to kill.

Fedor had the far more damaging ground and pound in comparison, while Khabib has a very wrestling-like mindset to his top game. Like Koscheck, he loves to sit on the halfguard leg and flatten/batter guys from there.
 
faustian said:
I'm convinced Herring was concussed in the early stages of that fight. When he literally slipped under the ropes and out of the ring to escape Fedor's GNP? That seemed like pure concussion autopilot survival mode
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I think that shows you the difference, its really one big GnP shot that puts Heath in trouble there. I suspect the fight might well have been called in the followup to that in the UFC, Heath was just being blasted by repeated big punchs.

Consider as well that guys like Erikson and Kerr could really do very little to Heath on the ground.
 
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Khabib was far superor on the ground compared to Fedor.
 
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