Cops arrest homeowner instead of squatters

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This lady inherited a house from her parents, squatters moved in before she could sell it, she confronts the squatters, gets them out, changes the locks, then the squatters call the police and have her arrested because apparently it's illegal to change locks.


I don't understand why they don't change these laws. Why is squatting even a thing anymore?
 
She claims they're squatters. Seems they claim they're valid tenants and that they have proof of this. Only the courts can decide on it, not the police.

At this stage, they have to prove there's no tenancy. "police told Andaloro the issue had become a landlord-tenant dispute which could only be settled in housing court."
Otherwise, landlords could use the "they're squatters" to illegally evict or harass genuine tenants, so this is how tenants are protected from those rouge landlords.
The issue there is that it can take 20 months to get the case seen in the courts, which is a ridiculous amount of time and an opportunity loss for her if she's innocent, since she can't use the house (plus if the tenants are innocent but can't afford to move away from a rouge landlord, it keeps them in limbo too, since if it's like in the UK they're not homeless so can't access much support with finding somewhere to live, but also don't know how long they'll be living there).

There is also the possibility that the government are using private landlords to try to alleviate the homelessness issue, rather than dealing with it themselves. A similar thing happens here in the UK - there's a housing shortage and the local governments don't have the power or money to do mass building of houses or to fund better services for the homeless or people at risk of homelessness (ie literally any tenant whose landlord wants to evict them, which includes for "no fault") or to fund measures against homelessness risk factors (eg child abuse, mental healthcare, physical healthcare, drug addiction, giving people a leg up out of poverty traps (there's research on whether just giving people a one-time payment can alleviate a lot of poverty long-term, results are mixed. There are some cases where it pretty obvious it could help eg someone needs a car for job opportunities, but can't get a good enough job without a car to finance driving - giving a grant or loan could get them out of that trap and even save the government long-term, compared to dealing with that person's future homelessness (admin costs, legal costs, cost of housing them, cost of policing homelessness etc), food stamps, medicare etc), so instead of housing people or putting them in hostels, the local government advises people to stay in the property if they're evicted and can't find somewhere to live, to give them a few more months to find somewhere to live.
 
Castle doctrine now. These losers are taking advantage of the backlog and basically extorting landlords. Pathetic scum. They basically do this and hope you buy them out. Even then, many times they do not leave. They know the courts take forever and they’ve weaponized that.
 
She claims they're squatters. Seems they claim they're valid tenants and that they have proof of this. Only the courts can decide on it, not the police.

At this stage, they have to prove there's no tenancy. "police told Andaloro the issue had become a landlord-tenant dispute which could only be settled in housing court."
Otherwise, landlords could use the "they're squatters" to illegally evict or harass genuine tenants, so this is how tenants are protected from those rouge landlords.
The issue there is that it can take 20 months to get the case seen in the courts, which is a ridiculous amount of time and an opportunity loss for her if she's innocent, since she can't use the house (plus if the tenants are innocent but can't afford to move away from a rouge landlord, it keeps them in limbo too, since if it's like in the UK they're not homeless so can't access much support with finding somewhere to live, but also don't know how long they'll be living there).

There is also the possibility that the government are using private landlords to try to alleviate the homelessness issue, rather than dealing with it themselves. A similar thing happens here in the UK - there's a housing shortage and the local governments don't have the power or money to do mass building of houses or to fund better services for the homeless or people at risk of homelessness (ie literally any tenant whose landlord wants to evict them, which includes for "no fault") or to fund measures against homelessness risk factors (eg child abuse, mental healthcare, physical healthcare, drug addiction, giving people a leg up out of poverty traps (there's research on whether just giving people a one-time payment can alleviate a lot of poverty long-term, results are mixed. There are some cases where it pretty obvious it could help eg someone needs a car for job opportunities, but can't get a good enough job without a car to finance driving - giving a grant or loan could get them out of that trap and even save the government long-term, compared to dealing with that person's future homelessness (admin costs, legal costs, cost of housing them, cost of policing homelessness etc), food stamps, medicare etc), so instead of housing people or putting them in hostels, the local government advises people to stay in the property if they're evicted and can't find somewhere to live, to give them a few more months to find somewhere to live.
If she's standing there with the deed to the house and they can't prove they have a legal tenancy agreement with her or her legal representative, it's pretty obvious who is in the right here.

"Oh, you have a tenancy agreement? Who's it with? Not the legal owner of the property? GTFO"

They need to, not just evict but jail these scumbags.

I never realised why any tenancy agreement, even private ones needs to be registered with the government where I live until now.
 
I'm a lawyer and this is normal in Spain. If squatters break into your house and you take it back, you may go to prison. The "correct" way is going to the courts and proving they have no right to be there. The process takes like 10-12 months. Not joking, you can look it up on Google
 
She claims they're squatters. Seems they claim they're valid tenants and that they have proof of this. Only the courts can decide on it, not the police.

At this stage, they have to prove there's no tenancy.

All squatters claim they're tenants. But the guy in this case didn't even have a lease agreement or any paperwork, so he should've been arrested right there.

The smarter ones will at least forge a lease agreement, but if they're too lazy to even be good criminals then fuck 'em. Haul their ass to jail.
 
All squatters claim they're tenants. But the guy in this case didn't even have a lease agreement or any paperwork, so he should've been arrested right there.

The smarter ones will at least forge a lease agreement, but if they're too lazy to even be good criminals then fuck 'em. Haul their ass to jail.
They should also be on the hook for whatever market value rent would have been for the time they were there.

They won't have it, at least not right away, but it would fuck up any loan applications and get them high interest rates and if they ever do get their shit together to buy their own house, maybe make them make good on the debt first.

Go squat in a fucking hotel, say you are a "migrant seeking asylum" don't fuck over regular people who rely on the income from their property.
Fuck squatters.
 
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I wonder what the outcome would be if they tried that in Texas... ;)
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If she's standing there with the deed to the house and they can't prove they have a legal tenancy agreement with her or her legal representative, it's pretty obvious who is in the right here.

"Oh, you have a tenancy agreement? Who's it with? Not the legal owner of the property? GTFO"

They need to, not just evict but jail these scumbags.

I never realised why any tenancy agreement, even private ones needs to be registered with the government where I live until now.
At the point when the police arrested her, from their perspective she could be a landlord just harassing her tenants. The police department don't have the power to check the tenancy registry, if such a thing exists in NYC (maybe that's something they should be authorised to do, if one exists).

It's not obvious at all. If a tenant doesn't produce a tenancy agreement on the day, it doesn't mean they aren't a legal tenant. Police also aren't legally educated to know what is and isn't valid proof of tenancy (eg if a tenant produced a fake agreement, the police would not know if it is fake, as it's not their area of expertise. Likewise, the police are not educated on what a legitimate deed looks like).

You're operating as if all information is instantly readily available and everyone has perfect understanding of the law.


All squatters claim they're tenants. But the guy in this case didn't even have a lease agreement or any paperwork, so he should've been arrested right there.

The smarter ones will at least forge a lease agreement, but if they're too lazy to even be good criminals then fuck 'em. Haul their ass to jail.
Not watched the video, but it seems they had utility bills, so they had some sort of paperwork. And not producing a tenancy agreement in the moment doesn't mean someone isn't a valid tenant. I rent, my last tenancy agreement document was in 2018 and since then I only have emails to evidence tenancy extensions. I guarantee if I tell a police officer about terms like "section 13", "section 8, "section 21" they won't know wtf I'm talking about. Reality is nobody here can know the situation, neither can the police. It's an issue for legal experts to deal with. We live in an adult world where due process is supposed to be followed, rather than acting on an emotional whim.
 
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