Could a 180 lb man be the best fighter in the world?

[Judoka1532]

We have an arbitrary limit on allowing only 206 lb men to prove they're the best. Dan Henderson had to struggle to become 206 lbs so he could prove that he can beat Fedor. And he beat Big Nog.

Why can't a 180 lb man be allowed to prove he's the best?

What is your question exactly?
In terms of the best fighter of all men assuming head-to-head no weight classes, I think heavyweights (at least 205 and up). Jon Jones can most likely beat heavyweights, but he also fights around 230 on fight day.
In terms of the best "fighter" of course somebody like mighty mouse could have way better training and skills than brock lesnar, but he aint stopping lesnar in a fight. No way.

 

[Parang]

We have an arbitrary limit on allowing only 206 lb men to prove they're the best. Dan Henderson had to struggle to become 206 lbs so he could prove that he can beat Fedor. And he beat Big Nog.

Why can't a 180 lb man be allowed to prove he's the best?

I think Dan Henderson weighed more than 206 for 99 percent of his life

 

[MMAart]

We have an arbitrary limit on allowing only 206 lb men to prove they're the best. Dan Henderson had to struggle to become 206 lbs so he could prove dthat he can beat Fedor. And he beat Big Nog.

Why can't a 180 lb man be allowed to prove he's the best?

Hendo didn't prove that he was the best open-weight in the world by beating out-of-prime Fedor. All he proved was that his being on TRT helped his performance at his age.

He also didn't fight Fedor as a 180. He bulked up to 206 as you mentioned.

As to your question: a 180 lb man cannot be the open-weight best in the world, because he would get wrecked by LHW and HW.

 

[Uthred]

We have an arbitrary limit on allowing only 206 lb men to prove they're the best. Dan Henderson had to struggle to become 206 lbs so he could prove that he can beat Fedor. And he beat Big Nog.

Why can't a 180 lb man be allowed to prove he's the best?

Hey bro if you're actually serious about this send me a private message.

I know some people who hangout around some real no shit underground karate guys, and they have challenges where all the karate and kick boys get together and prove once and for all who the best man is.

Again, if you're serious, cause these guys aren't playing, get in touch I can give you a shot but that's all I can guarantee - a shot.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

We have an arbitrary limit on allowing only 206 lb men to prove they're the best. Dan Henderson had to struggle to become 206 lbs so he could prove that he can beat Fedor. And he beat Big Nog.

Why can't a 180 lb man be allowed to prove he's the best?

GSP weighs 170 ls so you have your answer.

 

[MMAart]

Then explain Minowaman defeating three men with more size and power.

An anomaly of the universe, yeah?

Your logic isn't necessarily correct.

It isn't even correct within the HW division alone. Nor plenty of other OW fights in Japan.

Sorry bud. While it may be true a majority of the time, it isn't true all of the time.

It isn't true of lions and cheetahs, either. A lion will not always catch a cheetah.

Minowa was basically a Japanese fake-wrestler / MMA fighter that no doubt had a lot of "fixed" circus matches sponsored by the former PRIDE owners. The man is not bad, but he lost to Jason Delucia, the guy that got thoroughly dominated by Royce Gracie. There was no way he legitimately beat guys like Don Frye. Those were well choreographed pro-wrestling matches.

 

[MMAart]

Saku was arguably the best in the world for a while, and he's probably not far off from 180.

One of the best at his weight class, but not the best. Wanderlei had his number, and Wanderlei was nowhere near the absolute best in an openweight category.

 

[LukeSkyrocker]

Why are there so many dumb threads on Sherdog?

What’s wrong with the question specifically?

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Then theres this guy....

one word- McGregor

Retired boxers dont count btw

 

[galleryy]

Why are there so many dumb threads on Sherdog?

It's the perfect place for you then

 

[itheuser]

What’s wrong with the question specifically?

Being the HW champ doesn't make you the best fighter. The entire question starts off with a false premise, and then demands an answer.

Don't play dumb.

 

[Bobby Boulders]

Minowa was basically a Japanese fake-wrestler / MMA fighter that no doubt had a lot of "fixed" circus matches sponsored by the former PRIDE owners. The man is not bad, but he lost to Jason Delucia, the guy that got thoroughly dominated by Royce Gracie. There was no way he legitimately beat guys like Don Frye. Those were well choreographed pro-wrestling matches.

That's speculation though.

 

[Taric]

Dan Henderson had to struggle to become 206 lbs and he beat Big Nog.

Despite what's on their resumes, Hendo never actually beat Nogueira.
The sudden death round was Nog completely dominating Hendo in every facet of the game.

As Ricco should’ve gotten the decision over Nog.

Only if you believe defending submission attempts from on top is winning.

 

[itheuser]

What is your question exactly?
In terms of the best fighter of all men assuming head-to-head no weight classes, I think heavyweights (at least 205 and up). Jon Jones can most likely beat heavyweights, but he also fights around 230 on fight day.
In terms of the best "fighter" of course somebody like mighty mouse could have way better training and skills than brock lesnar, but he aint stopping lesnar in a fight. No way.

That has nothing to do with being the better fighter.

D.J. is a much better fighter than Lesnar, and so are a legion of other lower wieght figthers.

 

[McGruber]

GSP is one of the best and hes smaller than 180

Also Nog should've got the decision win against Hendo. Most fans know this.

GSP weighs far more than 180 but in real terms he isn't close to one of the best. At least 10 MW's would beat him, 10+ LHW's and 30+ HW's, so there are at least 50 guys who he would lose to in real terms.

In answer to TS's question - No. No 180lb man could possibly become the best.

 

[McGruber]

That has nothing to do with being the better fighter.

D.J. is a much better fighter than Lesnar, and so are a legion of other lower wieght figthers.

If you can't beat someone, you are not better. There are probably 5'6 wide receivers who have better footwork than those in the NFL but it doesn't make them better receivers.

 

[Taric]

If you can't beat someone, you are not better. There are probably 5'6 wide receivers who have better footwork than those in the NFL but it doesn't make them better receivers.

Those players make their way to the CFL and make 50k a year.

 

[fortheo]

GSP was 195 lbs in his prime. The lightest he's been was 185 lbs against Bisping and it was after years of retirement.

He was 192lbs when he fought shields, and that was the heaviest he's ever been in competition and he hated the extra weight.

He spent his prime closer to 185.

Now he's even lighter because of colitis.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

A skilled and strong 225-245 man will kill him 99/100 so no. You just can't negate elite power with skill and speed.

 

[djacobox372]

Marciano was only about 185 at his best: