Law DeSantis caves and modifies book ban law

[syct23]

This is the second response to a post of mine today that makes no sense. Fire and brimstone? What has this got to do with anything I said? I think we are capable of finding a balance in whats proper for children that falls somewhere between taking dildos up the ass and fire and brimstone, no?

I mean, does your support of exposing kids to gay dildo sex and posting incoherencies like "fire and brimstone" at me make you think you come off well in this argument?

I don’t even know what your conversation was about, I think I just used your post to spew out some nonsensical thought I had running through my brain at the time.

I’m so sorry!

 

[Seano]

I don’t even know what your conversation was about, I think I just used your post to spew out some nonsensical thought I had running through my brain at the time.

I’m so sorry!

I perhaps misunderstood your post, maybe didn't recognize some sarcasm or something, no worries.

 

[RoastBeast]

Kids should absolutely have sexual education in schools. The States that don't have it, have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, and are pushing for draconian abortion bans. Sorry but the old "reading, writing, 'rithmatic" is just out-dated, and there's plenty of data backing up the notion that the better kids are sexually educated the MORE protected they are against sexual exploitation.

Keeping them systemically ignorant or reliant on prudent reactionary parents HELPS the pedos, who are most often family members or friends of family.

People like you are exactly why politicians have to overstep their boundaries to protect children.

Please tell me how a book about a child being molested by his uncle, who depicts the act being scary but pleasurable while being able to perform like his favorite porn star is educational, helpful and keeps pedos away?

I would love to know how you think it's possible that less reading, writing and arithmetic and more performing like your favorite porn star while your uncle molests you is beneficial for children.

Please, by all means explain.

 

[DoctorTaco]

books about anal sex

Also in the Bible

 

[Sinister]

More than what? More than zero? Absolutely!

Notice how arguing for sexual education in schools because it helps kids protect themselves from predatory behavior suddenly becomes "virtue signaling" when it's in a context that social prudes take exception to. Some modicum of sexual education is okay, it just should never be that kind of material. It's nothing more than the notion that you can obedience train the sexuality out of people, especially when they're kids. The old "just let the kids be kids!!" Argument from people who would heavily censor literally everything kids might be curious about that offends them.

 

[RoastBeast]

Notice how arguing for sexual education in schools because it helps kids protect themselves from predatory behavior suddenly becomes "virtue signaling" when it's in a context that social prudes take exception to.

Creepy as fuck to call someone a "social prude" for not wanting children to be exposed to sexually inappropriate material.

Yes I'm absolutely a prude when it comes to children and sex.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Though online you hear how bad it is, but still they come... Almost like it isn't as bad as the internet nuts say it is....

Same with Portland. Funny how it happens to both sides

think child beauty pageants are gross and weird too.

Child beauty pageants are literally grooming. Is love to see the same advocates going after book readings try to take this shit down next

 

[DoctorTaco]

Creepy as fuck to call someone a "social prude" for not wanting children to be exposed to sexually inappropriate material.

The Bible

 

[RoastBeast]

The Bible

I don't know why you keep bringing up the bible. I'm not religious. It does not belong in public schools either.

 

[ObsoleteSoul]

Same with Portland. Funny how it happens to both sides

Child beauty pageants are literally grooming. Is love to see the same advocates going after book readings try to take this shit down next

Indeed it does. Though Portland is an ugly city imo, it isn't too bad overall. People get hysterical on the internet. It is known.

 

[Sinister]

People like you are exactly why politicians have to overstep their boundaries to protect children.

Please tell me how a book about a child being molested by his uncle, who depicts the act being scary but pleasurable while being able to perform like his favorite porn star is educational, helpful and keeps pedos away?

I would love to know how you think it's possible that less reading, writing and arithmetic and more performing like your favorite porn star while your uncle molests you is beneficial for children.

Please, by all means explain.

Are you really this comically stupid. Do you even have kids? Do you ever speak to kids? Okay I'll go point by point despite the fact that ALL of these questions have been answered by the data itself. Because people like you require spoonfeeding to get past your automatic brain power-downs when it comes to subjects you're uncomfortable with.

- Kids are emotionally confused by molestation. Often times they allow it to continue because they fear displeasing the predator (who they often are close to before it begins), or fear of reprimand from the Family. Depicting this as a normal response can ease the self-loathing of feeling conflicted.

- Kids are sexually confused by molestation, Hell even adults are. Prison psychologists will tell you that there is a phenomenon of men in prison who get raped, get an erection during the rape because it's a physical reaction they cannot control, will then THINK they are gay. Educating kids on the difference between a physical reaction they commonly associate with a positive experience doesnt make the experience okay, is a good thing. This is why boys who have inappropriate relationships with female sexual predators will be conflicted. She made them erect, being erect is good because it feels good. But the relationship is illegal and wrong.

- Kids will be mentally confused by sexual molestation. When something that sh*tty happens to a kid they can do mental backflips to see it in a positive light and avoid processing the harm it did. I had a student whose Mother and Uncle murdered his Father, now she is doing lifen prison over it. His way of shrugging it off was to say he wasn't very close to his Father anyway. His Uncle told me he doesnt much talk to anyone about it. I suggested therapy because the Uncle had 8 other kids and he was just going around with those feelings, not processing them. A kid is likely to spend a period of time trying to mentally turn that negative experience into a positive one in their heads, as opposed to admitting the over all reality of it.

And the tone of such books over all is that the experience or the author or protagonist was a net negative. They have to seek help to make heads or tails of what happened. This encourages communication. Kids who read about someone who had a similar experience but then reached out for help dealing with it are FAR more likely to do the same. There is no scenario in which arming a kid with the ability to describe what they're going through, or what someone is doing to them, is a net negative.

And no one suggested LESS "reading, writing, 'rithmetic"...that came from your own brain. I said the idea that that's all education is and ever should be is idiotic, especially by anyone who spends any significant amount of time screeching about the vulnerabilities of the children.

 

[syct23]

I perhaps misunderstood your post, maybe didn't recognize some sarcasm or something, no worries.

*clinks glass

Carry on good sir.

 

[PurpleDrank]

Notice how arguing for sexual education in schools because it helps kids protect themselves from predatory behavior suddenly becomes "virtue signaling" when it's in a context that social prudes take exception to. Some modicum of sexual education is okay, it just should never be that kind of material. It's nothing more than the notion that you can obedience train the sexuality out of people, especially when they're kids. The old "just let the kids be kids!!" Argument from people who would heavily censor literally everything kids might be curious about that offends them.

I dont think we can take it as a given or fact that sexual education in schools protects the kids from sexual predation. I know theres studies on this but to take it as an irrefutable fact seems silly. I also think lumping in queer theory with the sexual education thats happened historically is shady. A good compromise would be for it to be opt in, no?

 

[Sinister]

Creepy as fuck to call someone a "social prude" for not wanting children to be exposed to sexually inappropriate material.

Yes I'm absolutely a prude when it comes to children and sex.

Its even creepier to depict educational material on sexual experiences designed to teach kids how to process that part of their existence "sexually inappropriate material." I cant imagine the negative effects of advocating for the systemic sexual ignorance of minors. Sounds like something someone who wants easy targets would like.

 

[DoctorTaco]

I don't know why you keep bringing up the bible. I'm not religious. It does not belong in public schools either.

Bc the vast, VAST majority of people trying to ban books in schools are religious “Christians”

Indeed it does. Though Portland is an ugly city imo, it isn't too bad overall. People get hysterical on the internet. It is known.

I’d argue about the beauty of pdx but im happy for our reputation bc it keeps people from coming here and clogging the roads, slopes, hiking trails, river parks, surf spots, restaurants, titty bars, and the rest.

 

[Sinister]

I dont think we can take it as a given or fact that sexual education in schools protects the kids from sexual predation. I know theres studies on this but to take it as an irrefutable fact seems silly. I also think lumping in queer theory with the sexual education thats happened historically is shady. A good compromise would be for it to be opt in, no?

I'm not against opt-ins. But yeah I tend to take repeated empirical data as facts, until reliable data comes out refuting it. And this has been studied since the introduction of sexual education into the school systems.

"Queer theory" should at least be basically covered anywhere there could be queer kids. They're at far greater risk of sexual impropriety even by their peers, and at far greater risk of complete dismissal by their families. Unless we are saying the only kids worthy of protection are kids we think are straight, which is something a lot of people would say if they weren't cowards who hide behind political jargon.

 

[ObsoleteSoul]

Bc the vast, VAST majority of people trying to ban books in schools are religious “Christians”

I’d argue about the beauty of pdx but im happy for our reputation bc it keeps people from coming here and clogging the roads, slopes, hiking trails, river parks, surf spots, restaurants, titty bars, and the rest.

Something about the PNW architecture just looks meh to me. Beautiful landscapes though. Lived in Seattle for a few years and I feel the same about there too.

I can't say I blame you. I wish it were really so bad here that people would stop coming, because it is so damn crowded here compared to when I was growing up. You win on that one...

 

[ShadowRun]

I don't know why you keep bringing up the bible. I'm not religious. It does not belong in public schools either.

Because they can’t defend those disgusting books when’s is the last time a teacher at a public school assign bible reading as an assignment??

 

[shinkyoku]

The Bible is still allowed in schools, so they’ll learn about BJ’s (song of Solomon) and molestation (the Old Testament)

...Ban the Bible?

 

[filthybliss]

Its getting tiresome, this conversation is so dumb. A person defending this shit is either a contrarian trolling douche or a complete deviant dirtbag that you wouldn't let within 10 feet of your kids if you knew how they thought. There's things that are proper for kids in a school setting and things that are not. If you don't get this, then something is wrong with you or you're an asshole.

LMAO, i don't think its deviant to educate kids on practicing safe sex....knowing about birth control and boundaries is not something that i think is heretical.....