Opinion Diversity in hiring - Should we hire based on skin color, sexual preference, disability status - or the content of someone's character?

[Sweater of AV]

The shortage is probably due to how those communities conduct themselves.

Now we're getting to the root of your problem

I suggest reading past one line. I can spoon feed you if you like.

It must be brutal to be an elementary school teacher these days. Lol.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

@1:49:22 - @1:52:29

 

[RoastBeast]

So if you pretend a large number of jobs at construction companies do not exist he's still off by a measure of 5x? lol, very convincing argument for what again?

If your work place is "diverse of some trait or group", then that phrase describes a lack of diversity which is why you are misusing the word diverse. What part of this is going over your head? Why don't you try filling in the blank yourself and then see if you're describing a diverse workplace.

1% is a hell of a lot closer to 5% than 24% is. Besides, this is where the trolling comes in. The point is that you cannot get that number anywhere close to 50% without discriminating against men. You continue to pivot to irrelevant tangents when your logic gets beat up on.

Again, the second paragraph is just trolling. Not only are you refusing to answer the question, but you can't even recognize correct English when you see it. Diverse means differing from one another. If you think that there isn't enough diversity in the workforce, then what exactly about that workforce is the same?

We all know it's white people. Specifically white men. You want to use racist, sexist and discriminatory tactics to ensure that there are less white men in the workforce. There's a reason why you guys have refused to answer this question for pages on end. You are the real racists. You just think your racism is justified.

 

[Sweater of AV]

People continue to avoid the truth.

Race, gender, and partnership in the patient-physician relationship - PubMed

Our data suggest that African American patients rate their visits with physicians as less participatory than whites. However, patients seeing physicians of their own race rate their physicians' decision-making styles as more participatory. Improving cross-cultural communication between primary...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Improving cross-cultural communication between primary care physicians and patients and providing patients with access to a diverse group of physicians may lead to more patient involvement in care, higher levels of patient satisfaction, and better health outcomes.

 

[djacobox372]

People continue to avoid the truth.

Race, gender, and partnership in the patient-physician relationship - PubMed

Our data suggest that African American patients rate their visits with physicians as less participatory than whites. However, patients seeing physicians of their own race rate their physicians' decision-making styles as more participatory. Improving cross-cultural communication between primary...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Improving cross-cultural communication between primary care physicians and patients and providing patients with access to a diverse group of physicians may lead to more patient involvement in care, higher levels of patient satisfaction, and better health outcomes.

Truth?

"may lead," that's just an opinion.

IMO: choosing a doctor based on their race instead of their qualifications will lead to worse care and worse outcomes.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Truth?

"may lead," that's just an opinion.

IMO: choosing a doctor based on their race instead of their qualifications will lead to worse care and worse outcomes.

Evidence based on data and statistics is not the same as an opinion, lad. Opinions are like assholes...

It's not either or. The point is that cultural background, race, gender etc are determining factors in the quality of care received. This is obvious to anyone with a brain.

Since you can't seem to read, I'll post it again.

The role of black and Hispanic physicians in providing health care for underserved populations - PubMed

Black and Hispanic physicians have a unique and important role in caring for poor, black, and Hispanic patients in California. Dismantling affirmative-action programs as is currently proposed, may threaten health care for both poor people and members of minority groups.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Methods: We analyzed data on physicians' practice locations and the racial and ethnic makeup and socioeconomic status of communities in California in 1990. We also surveyed 718 primary care physicians from 51 California communities in 1993 to examine the relation between the physicians' race or ethnic group and the characteristics of the patients they served.

Results: Communities with high proportions of black and Hispanic residents were four times as likely as others to have a shortage of physicians, regardless of community income. Black physicians practiced in areas where the percentage of black residents was nearly five times as high, on average, as in areas where other physicians practiced. Hispanic physicians practiced in areas where the percentage of Hispanic residents was twice as high as in areas where other physicians practiced. After we controlled for the racial and ethnic makeup of the community, black physicians cared for significantly more black patients (absolute difference, 25 percentage points; P < 0.001) and Hispanic physicians for significantly more Hispanic patients (absolute difference, 21 percentage points; P < 0.001) than did other physicians. Black physicians cared for more patients covered by Medicaid (P = 0.001) and Hispanic physicians for more uninsured patients (P = 0.03) than did other physicians.

Conclusions: Black and Hispanic physicians have a unique and important role in caring for poor, black, and Hispanic patients in California. Dismantling affirmative-action programs as is currently proposed, may threaten health care for both poor people and members of minority groups.

Patient-physician racial concordance and the perceived quality and use of health care - PubMed

Our findings confirm the importance of racial and cultural factors in the patient-physician relationship and reaffirm the role of black and Hispanic physicians in caring for black and Hispanic patients. Improving cultural competence among physicians may enhance the quality of health care for...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Methods: We analyzed data from the 1994 Commonwealth Fund's Minority Health Survey, a nationwide, telephone survey of noninstitutionalized adults. For the 2201 white, black, and Hispanic respondents who reported having a regular physician, we examined the association between patient-physician racial concordance and patients' ratings of their physicians, satisfaction with health care, reported receipt of preventive care, and reported receipt of needed medical care.

Results: Black respondents with black physicians were more likely than those with nonblack physicians to rate their physicians as excellent (adjusted odds ratio [OR], 2.40; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.55-3.72) and to report receiving preventive care (adjusted OR, 1.74; 95% CI, 1.01-2.98) and all needed medical care (adjusted OR, 2.94; 95% CI, 1.10-7.87) during the previous year. Hispanics with Hispanic physicians were more likely than those with non-Hispanic physicians to be very satisfied with their health care overall (adjusted OR, 1.74; 95% CI, 1.01-2.99).

Conclusions: Our findings confirm the importance of racial and cultural factors in the patient-physician relationship and reaffirm the role of black and Hispanic physicians in caring for black and Hispanic patients. Improving cultural competence among physicians may enhance the quality of health care for minority populations. In the meantime, by reducing the number of underrepresented minorities entering the US physician workforce, the reversal of affirmative action policies may adversely affect the delivery of health care to black and Hispanic Americans.

 

[abject]

DEI creates an environment where everyone who meets the needs of the job is looked at. People who are complaining about this have probably been given preferential treatment at some point. They see the firm grasp on where their privilege has got them and have to lie about what the programs are about.


Elon crying hard about this is actually really funny. If he has never hired family members or friends or even been hired by family or friends, he is a hypocrite.

Privilege is earnt. Like respect. People unlikely to be employed on the basis of merit whine about privilege.

 

[nhbbear]

Not really. Delta having a DEI program doesn’t mean they are gonna hire a bus driver for a pilot job. The anti DEI group are scared seeing their privilege slipping from their grasps. So disinformation is their only shot.

No. The anti-dei people are not wanting to be denied a job because they are not “diverse enough” which is what is happening. I am against the ways in which minorities are excluded from jobs or positions, but I am also against not hiring a person because they are a straight white male, which is exactly what is happening. White straight women are the next lowest on the Totem pole followed by Asians and then Hispanic males.

 

[djacobox372]

Evidence based on data and statistics is not the same as an opinion, lad. Opinions are like assholes...

It's not either or. The point is that cultural background, race, gender etc are determining factors in the quality of care received. This is obvious to anyone with a brain.

Than why was the conclusion in the article you posted stated as an opinion and not fact? Because they are proposing just one of many possible interpretations of the data.

Correlation =/= causation

There are many ways to interpret statistics.

One could interpret this data as suggesting that those who have the means and wherewithal to personally select their doctor rather than just go to any doctor that is presented to them, have better results... race may have been only one factor they considered--and one that had no impact.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Than why was the conclusion in the article you posted stated as an opinion and not fact? Because they are proposing just one of many possible interpretations of the data.

Correlation =/= causation

There are many ways to interpret statistics.

One could interpret this data as suggesting that those who have the means and wherewithal to personally select their doctor rather than just go to any doctor that is presented to them, have better results... race may have been only one factor they considered--and one that had no impact.

A statement based on evidence is different than a Sherdogger telling people that their experiences are incorrect. And no, that isn't an interpretation of the data. A shortage of doctors and minorities explicitly saying they receive better care from people of similar backgrounds is not an interpretation.

This is where you're at:

Patients of particular cultural/racial/gender backgrounds: "We tend to receive better care from someone with a shared cultural/racial/gender background."

Some can on Sherdog: "In my opinion, you're incorrect."

 

[Zazen]

This shit is the new CRT. These losers always need to be outraged by something and since trannies are starting to get boring they're on to the next thing that gets their audience terrified and clicking on their videos. Fucking pathetic that people live this way. Nothing wrong with Blacks flying airplanes. It's not like they went to a fast food joint and said "Hey Tyrone, we need someone to fly an airplane next week. Come on over!"

 

[lifelessheap]

This shit is the new CRT. These losers always need to be outraged by something and since trannies are starting to get boring they're on to the next thing that gets their audience terrified and clicking on their videos. Fucking pathetic that people live this way. Nothing wrong with Blacks flying airplanes. It's not like they went to a fast food joint and said "Hey Tyrone, we need someone to fly an airplane next week. Come on over!"

There is absolutely nothing wrong with any person flying a plane if they were hired based on merit and qualifications.

Blatant discrimination is wrong. Always has been, and always will be. Affirmative action has been discriminating against white men since the 1970's, that is 50+ years of a leg up for non whites and a 50 year period of disadvantage to white men.

When does it end? When society breaks into two?

In the 90's my brother applied to CDF. California Department of Forestry. He had a degree with a minor in fire science and had graduated from the best Fire Academy in the USA. He had also been a lifeguard and EMT. He was insanely qualified.

The Fire Chief said sorry, Sacramento said we are unable to hire any white men. Literally white men need not apply.

That is your utopia. Gross.

 

[shockaholic12]

1% is a hell of a lot closer to 5% than 24% is. Besides, this is where the trolling comes in. The point is that you cannot get that number anywhere close to 50% without discriminating against men. You continue to pivot to irrelevant tangents when your logic gets beat up on.

Again, the second paragraph is just trolling. Not only are you refusing to answer the question, but you can't even recognize correct English when you see it. Diverse means differing from one another. If you think that there isn't enough diversity in the workforce, then what exactly about that workforce is the same?

We all know it's white people. Specifically white men. You want to use racist, sexist and discriminatory tactics to ensure that there are less white men in the workforce. There's a reason why you guys have refused to answer this question for pages on end. You are the real racists. You just think your racism is justified.

"If you pretend job sites are don't have many of these positions then it's only 5x wrong..." this isn't a point.

If "Diverse means differing from one another" explain how this is english "differing from one another from what?". It's nonsense.

Creating a more diverse workplace describes moving from a state of homogeny to a state of increased diversity and what traits are common or lacking in any given space can encompass all traits a staff member could possess. Race, type of education, where they've spent their lives, gender, age, area of experience, personality type, whether or not they possess disabilities.

Diversifying a workplace describes adding traits from any of these categories and countless more. It does not demand you discriminate against any one thing or "diverse from this one thing". If I have a team that is mostly straight american white men and I hire a gay white man, or a white man from europe...I've diversified my workplace.

I know you want so so badly for white men to be seen as some perpetual victim here but they aren't.

 

[shockaholic12]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with any person flying a plane if they were hired based on merit and qualifications.

Blatant discrimination is wrong. Always has been, and always will be. Affirmative action has been discriminating against white men since the 1970's, that is 50+ years of a leg up for non whites and a 50 year period of disadvantage to white men.

When does it end? When society breaks into two?

In the 90's my brother applied to CDF. California Department of Forestry. He had a degree with a minor in fire science and had graduated from the best Fire Academy in the USA. He had also been a lifeguard and EMT. He was insanely qualified.

The Fire Chief said sorry, Sacramento said we are unable to hire any white men. Literally white men need not apply.

That is your utopia. Gross.

In 2021, 82.2% of the Firefighters workforce were White. I'm guessing in the 90's, probably higher. So if the CDF had qualified diverse candidates and where lacking that I'm not sure why they wouldn't hire them in that scenario. It would be helpful to add fluent spanish speaking firefighters in a state where it's many folks first language. Was your brother fluent in spanish? Probably not. Nothing gross here.

You're saying this practice has been in fire stations for 3 decades, well white folks haven't been displaced from firefighting judging by the numbers.

 

[shockaholic12]

Privilege is earnt. Like respect. People unlikely to be employed on the basis of merit whine about privilege.

No, accomplishments are earned. There is nothing in definition of privilege that requires it be granted to the deserving or those with merit.

I'd be surprised if "earnt" a good job with these english skills.

 

[shockaholic12]

No. The anti-dei people are not wanting to be denied a job because they are not “diverse enough” which is what is happening. I am against the ways in which minorities are excluded from jobs or positions, but I am also against not hiring a person because they are a straight white male, which is exactly what is happening. White straight women are the next lowest on the Totem pole followed by Asians and then Hispanic males.

Instead of playing victim the white folks could stop crying grab those boot strings and become more diverse. Maybe those diverse hires that are beating them out have been bi-lingual since childhood. Go become fluent in another language and make yourself a candidate who could add diversity to a team.

Go live abroad and work abroad and gain some culture the workplace doesn't already have in spades. Be more of an asset.

 

[Sweater of AV]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with any person flying a plane if they were hired based on merit and qualifications.

Blatant discrimination is wrong. Always has been, and always will be. Affirmative action has been discriminating against white men since the 1970's, that is 50+ years of a leg up for non whites and a 50 year period of disadvantage to white men.

When does it end? When society breaks into two?

In the 90's my brother applied to CDF. California Department of Forestry. He had a degree with a minor in fire science and had graduated from the best Fire Academy in the USA. He had also been a lifeguard and EMT. He was insanely qualified.

The Fire Chief said sorry, Sacramento said we are unable to hire any white men. Literally white men need not apply.

That is your utopia. Gross.

Kneeling for white male firefighters in America right now.

Firefighters | Data USA

Firefighters are most often employed by the Justice, public order, & safety activities industry. The average yearly wage for Firefighters was $76,498 in 2021.

datausa.io

Lol at ~80%. White oppression has to stop before it's too late.

 

[nhbbear]

Instead of playing victim the white folks could stop crying grab those boot strings and become more diverse. Maybe those diverse hires that are beating them out have been bi-lingual since childhood. Go become fluent in another language and make yourself a candidate who could add diversity to a team.

Go live abroad and work abroad and gain some culture the workplace doesn't already have in spades. Be more of an asset.

I guess skill and experience means nothing anymore? Companies are promoting and recruiting people with less skill and experience over whites to have that window dressing diversity and purposely not recruiting whites or Asians. Sure, some of those hired or promoted are doing so based on merit and skill/exp, but not many. And fields like police and fire are seeing their requirements drop a lot just to get those diverse hires.

Love abroad? Just to get hired against those with less experience because they are diverse and meet a quota? Yeah, ok

And who plays victim the most? Yeah, we know who that is

 

[abject]

No, accomplishments are earned. There is nothing in definition of privilege that requires it be granted to the deserving or those with merit.

I'd be surprised if "earnt" a good job with these english skills.

Wrong. Special rights or advantages are granted all the time in society. Having a job grants you special rights and advantages. But it a groups of people do well, then, they're privileged? The term "White Privilege" is being incorrectly used in society but, hey, i'll help you. Some groups struggle to accomplish anything (yourself likely) and though jealousy, blame success on this mysterious privilege. While others build create and accomplish.

Here's some privilege for you. Failing your teaching qualifications but getting millions in compensation because you're black or hispanic and scored lower on the entry scores.

 

[shockaholic12]

Wrong. Special rights or advantages are granted all the time in society. Having a job grants you special rights and advantages. But it a groups of people do well, then, they're privileged? The term "White Privilege" is being incorrectly used in society but, hey, i'll help you. Some groups struggle to accomplish anything (yourself likely) and though jealousy, blame success on this mysterious privilege. While others build create and accomplish.

Here's some privilege for you. Failing your teaching qualifications but getting millions in compensation because you're black or hispanic and scored lower on the entry scores.

you suck at english. A job is something either accomplish getting through earning it or you can be handed a job you didn't earn as a privilege of your status. You can still reap the benefits of privileges even if you never actually work and earn them.

yes in that made up scenario in your head it would be a privilege not an accomplishment. you learned something tonight.