Do boxers absorb punches better than MMA fighters?

[fzoid4454]

They clearly, by physiology, will have better chins than mma fighters. Just like, physiologically speaking, basketball players tend to be taller. This isn't super hard to understand if you follow boxing at all. Not everything can just be attributed to better defense and eyes.

Except that, no, there's nothing that gives them a better "chin." There's nothing about a chin that prevents the impact from traveling through the head and sloshing the brain within the cavity. That's how a KO happens, or, if you get hit "on the button," you get the "flash knockdown" where the nerve signals are temporarily disrupted. Just like with most MMA fighters, people don't have stronger or weaker chins, they avoid taking the clean, flush shots, or they react better when dazed. The invincible chin is an urban legend.

Having stronger neck muscles and being hydrated will help absorb some of the impact. That's about it.

There's nothing anyone can really do about that. That's the physics and physiology of it. You really, really don't know what you are talking about.

 

[avenue94]

Except that, no, there's nothing that gives them a better "chin."

I'm assuming we're on the same page and mean chin as in neurological capacity to stay conscious following brain trauma? Cuz that's what it means in combat sports

Having stronger neck muscles and being hydrated will help absorb some of the impact. That's about it.

If you're arguing that all fighters have the same neurological capacity to remain conscious, you don't know shit about combat sports and medical science.
-Why does the durability of fighters wane after extensive trauma? Their neck strength and hydration and defense should be the same, or even better later in careers.
-Clearly the difference in durability between say, Big Country and Overreem, isn't down to neck muscles and hydration. Just lol

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Except that, no, there's nothing that gives them a better "chin." There's nothing about a chin that prevents the impact from traveling through the head and sloshing the brain within the cavity.

Its that boxers with bad chins get filtered out more because of the nature of the sport. They spar hard regularly and are dealing with nothing but strikes to the head and body in high volume. MMA sparring tends to be at a lower intensity, striking is typically lower volume and there are more ways to avoid being punched in the face.

 

[jsbx45]

Yes they re physically different and superior to MMA fighters. That's why they get paid more.

 

[fzoid4454]

I'm assuming we're on the same page and mean chin as in neurological capacity to stay conscious following brain trauma? Cuz that's what it means in combat sports

If you're arguing that all fighters have the same neurological capacity to remain conscious, you don't know shit about combat sports and medical science.
-Why does the durability of fighters wane after extensive trauma? Their neck strength and hydration and defense should be the same, or even better later in careers.
-Clearly the difference in durability between say, Big Country and Overreem, isn't down to neck muscles and hydration. Just lol

But that's the problem. If there's X amount of brain trauma, it doesn't matter who it is, you go down. That's not to say that differently built bodies transmit the force of blows differently, but if you get hit in a way that transmits that force to the brain, there's no physiology that can stop or resist that.

Reem is a roided up LHW, and bone density is going to make a difference, but this thing where you imagine that they can somehow by will or elfin magic ignore brain trauma is stupid.

Again, what the boxers do is that they are better trained to avoid taking those flush shots, in the first place. Nothing more. Learned skills, not "chin" or anything else like that.

I also like how you've completely ignored boxers having giant, cushioned gloves, throughout this discussion

 

[fzoid4454]

Its that boxers with bad chins get filtered out more because of the nature of the sport. They spar hard regularly and are dealing with nothing but strikes to the head and body in high volume. MMA sparring tends to be at a lower intensity, striking is typically lower volume and there are more ways to avoid being punched in the face.

Boxers don't go full on in sparring any more than MMA fighters do. That's what's known as being a shit sparring partner, in any sport.

 

[D MCCG]

Tyson Fury ate clean punches from one the hardest hitting HW boxers ever Deontay Wilder but kept fighting & getting up

Meanwhile 45 years old Floyd, who isn't even known for having a great KO power, was dropping MMA fighters with every single punch he landed...




Even youtuber Logan Paul lasted whole fight unlike them



Ngannou better not to fight Fury cause that soft chin gonna get rocked bad

Bruh that gif of fury vs wilder 3 was when fury got knocked down lol. Should've used a differnt gif for this arguement

 

[Bret 'The Hitman' Hart]

Yep, I think elite boxers are better and tougher athletes

 

[WMMA Enjoyer]

Yes because boxers know how to roll with punches and people with no chins get weeded out early on.

 

[avenue94]

But that's the problem. If there's X amount of brain trauma, it doesn't matter who it is, you go down. That's not to say that differently built bodies transmit the force of blows differently, but if you get hit in a way that transmits that force to the brain, there's no physiology that can stop or resist that.

Other than the brains physiology. It's not understood why but some people's brains simply do a better job of staying conscious than others. This is pretty clear in medical science and again, if you have any eyes and understand what you are watching in combat sports.

Reem is a roided up LHW, and bone density is going to make a difference, but this thing where you imagine that they can somehow by will or elfin magic ignore brain trauma is stupid.

Bone density is on the margins, if at all. I'm not aware of any medical research on that link, which makes sense given bone density is barely going to effect force moving the skull when you're comparing it to how many muscles strike sin combat sports recruit.

Again, what the boxers do is that they are better trained to avoid taking those flush shots, in the first place. Nothing more. Learned skills, not "chin" or anything else like that.

Not only that. Could a boxer with GSP's chin become a divisional GOAT in boxing? simple yes or no question. You seem to really struggle with the fact that boxing weeds out bad chins far quicker and more severely than mma, a sport where you can grapple to victory.

I also like how you've completely ignored boxers having giant, cushioned gloves, throughout this discussion

Not a significant factor in power. Julian Jackson in boxing gloves is simply on a different level than Melvin Guillard in 4 oz gloves.

 

[liverkick83]

Tyson Fury ate clean punches from one the hardest hitting HW boxers ever Deontay Wilder but kept fighting & getting up

Meanwhile 45 years old Floyd, who isn't even known for having a great KO power, was dropping MMA fighters with every single punch he landed...




Even youtuber Logan Paul lasted whole fight unlike them



Ngannou better not to fight Fury cause that soft chin gonna get rocked bad

This is some top notch casual shit

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Boxers don't go full on in sparring any more than MMA fighters do.

They absolutely do. Its common knowledge.

 

[TheGreatA]

MMA fighters tend to be chinny because many of them have never been punched until their 20's. It's a shock to the system to get punched, after you've been mostly grappling/wrestling your whole life. The guys with a bit of boxing/kickboxing experience have a big advantage over those who don't. They roll with punches and don't panic when they get hit.

Guys with great chins in MMA usually rise to the top of the rankings, even if they're pretty mediocre skill-wise. Being a tough dude who can throw a good punch, goes a long way in the UFC. In boxing, you'll probably not get too far above journeyman status by just having a good chin.

It's the same though when it comes to boxers taking leg kicks. They're just not used to it and react like they've been hit by a bullet.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

If you have a glass chin in boxing, you almost certainly won't make it.

In MMA you can still have a pretty good career by using your ground game.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

Boxers don't go full on in sparring any more than MMA fighters do. That's what's known as being a shit sparring partner, in any sport.

Tell that to Dutch kickboxers lol.

 

[Hamalcar]

Sorry, but this means almost nothing.
Boxing gloves are what they are to protect the hands, not the opponent faces, and the bigger area of contact during a punch means that translates more energy.
And if you think is just a matter of padding, you've never ever been puched with a boxing glove.

No, the larger area of contact diffuses the force and spreads it out thus reducing the effective force on any given spot.

Add to that the energy that goes into compressing the padding (minimal though it may be) and you realise that a bare-knuckle punch with the same power will effectively deliver more force on contact than one with a boxing glove.

 

[FloydMayweatherMMA]

one leg kick is all it takes

That's where Wilder went wrong. Should have been throwing low kicks at Fury.

 

[fzoid4454]

Tell that to Dutch kickboxers lol.

So Dutch kickboxers going at each other would refute my statement about boxers not necessarily sparring harder.... how?

 

[Ramon Antonio]

So Dutch kickboxers going at each other would refute my statement about boxers not necessarily sparring harder.... how?

What? I responded to this part of your reply.

That's what's known as being a shit sparring partner, in any sport.

Notice the ‘any’?

 

[LoneStalker]

No, the larger area of contact diffuses the force and spreads it out thus reducing the effective force on any given spot.
Add to that the energy that goes into compressing the padding (minimal though it may be) and you realise that a bare-knuckle punch with the same power will effectively deliver more force on contact than one with a boxing glove.

@Hamalcar, Thanks for taking the time to reply. Someone else corrected me already and I admitted my mistake. Cheers.