Fabricated robberies

[Masturbin]

I feel like some robberies are just created by fans to justify a narrative. Some fights are deemed a robberies retroactively when convinient.

Like Usman vs Chimaev, some people argue Usman won or that it's a draw.
When you look at the fight live, it's a clear Chimaev round 1 win, Usman claws back his way in round 2, has decent momentum at the start of round 3 and then gets taken down and does nothing.

Islam vs Volk 1 is another example. Watching it live, Islam was always a step ahead and outstuck Volk, Volk had great moments in round 5 and had a good slip/kd but that's not enough to win the fight.

Marlon Morraes vs Aldo is another good example. Aldo got hurt bad in round 1, round 2 he found his groove back and in round 3 he pressure Marlon non-stop but he was the one getting damaged. Hovewer, the robbery narrative was convinient for the ufc to justify an Aldo TS and some fans ran with it.

Whittaker vs Izzy 2 is another good example. It's was a pretty close fight but Izzy had the best moments by hurting Whittaker and matained control of the fight despite the takedowns.

Volk vs Max 2 is another good example. Prior the trilogy it was a good way to justify it by saying they were even. Now that the dust has settled, we can agree it was a close fight that Volk barely edged.

Strickland vs Jared is another good example. A pretty boring fight where both fighters did not managed to fully achieve their gameplan. Sean did not drown Jared and Jared did not find a big shot. Jared edged it because of his power. Now that Sean is champ, soem fans are pretending he was robbed.


Final note with Usman vs Edwards 2. Some fans are on crack and think Usman won lol.
I also saw a thread this week saying Charles did good with Islam. When you rewatch the fight, you see that Charles did not achieve anything beside an upkick and some stalemate clinchs.

 

[samuelsoncast]

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[Kompromat]

I always thought these discussions exist because casuals, sorry, fans who produce them are either fans of a losing guy or haters of a winning guy. They rarely judge the fight objectively and only care about the decision that favours them. Another great example is Burns vs Khamzat. Khamzat had a dominant first round, the third round was even in striking but Khamzat was pressing, had some control time and secured the round fair and square. The second round he was pressing but got caught by a counter which he survived well - Burns was following up with shots to the back of the head and tried an illegal knee to the downed opponent, but Khamzat haters dont care about that - they think Burns won because of that only KD (the rest of the fight he was on a back-foot and had nice countering jabs from time to time) and Khamzat didnt live up to the hype.

But those things happen in all sports. I try to ignore them.

 

[Poirierfan]

I feel like some robberies are just created by fans to justify a narrative. Some fights are deemed a robberies retroactively when convinient.

Like Usman vs Chimaev, some people argue Usman won or that it's a draw.
When you look at the fight live, it's a clear Chimaev round 1 win, Usman claws back his way in round 2, has decent momentum at the start of round 3 and then gets taken down and does nothing.

Islam vs Volk 1 is another example. Watching it live, Islam was always a step ahead and outstuck Volk, Volk had great moments in round 5 and had a good slip/kd but that's not enough to win the fight.

Marlon Morraes vs Aldo is another good example. Aldo got hurt bad in round 1, round 2 he found his groove back and in round 3 he pressure Marlon non-stop but he was the one getting damaged. Hovewer, the robbery narrative was convinient for the ufc to justify an Aldo TS and some fans ran with it.

Whittaker vs Izzy 2 is another good example. It's was a pretty close fight but Izzy had the best moments by hurting Whittaker and matained control of the fight despite the takedowns.

Volk vs Max 2 is another good example. Prior the trilogy it was a good way to justify it by saying they were even. Now that the dust has settled, we can agree it was a close fight that Volk barely edged.

Strickland vs Jared is another good example. A pretty boring fight where both fighters did not managed to fully achieve their gameplan. Sean did not drown Jared and Jared did not find a big shot. Jared edged it because of his power. Now that Sean is champ, soem fans are pretending he was robbed.


Final note with Usman vs Edwards 2. Some fans are on crack and think Usman won lol.
I also saw a thread this week saying Charles did good with Islam. When you rewatch the fight, you see that Charles did not achieve anything beside an upkick and some stalemate clinchs.

 

[maximus__]

I feel like some robberies are just created by fans to justify a narrative. Some fights are deemed a robberies retroactively when convinient.

Like Usman vs Chimaev, some people argue Usman won or that it's a draw.
When you look at the fight live, it's a clear Chimaev round 1 win, Usman claws back his way in round 2, has decent momentum at the start of round 3 and then gets taken down and does nothing.

Islam vs Volk 1 is another example. Watching it live, Islam was always a step ahead and outstuck Volk, Volk had great moments in round 5 and had a good slip/kd but that's not enough to win the fight.

Marlon Morraes vs Aldo is another good example. Aldo got hurt bad in round 1, round 2 he found his groove back and in round 3 he pressure Marlon non-stop but he was the one getting damaged. Hovewer, the robbery narrative was convinient for the ufc to justify an Aldo TS and some fans ran with it.

Whittaker vs Izzy 2 is another good example. It's was a pretty close fight but Izzy had the best moments by hurting Whittaker and matained control of the fight despite the takedowns.

Volk vs Max 2 is another good example. Prior the trilogy it was a good way to justify it by saying they were even. Now that the dust has settled, we can agree it was a close fight that Volk barely edged.

Strickland vs Jared is another good example. A pretty boring fight where both fighters did not managed to fully achieve their gameplan. Sean did not drown Jared and Jared did not find a big shot. Jared edged it because of his power. Now that Sean is champ, soem fans are pretending he was robbed.


Final note with Usman vs Edwards 2. Some fans are on crack and think Usman won lol.
I also saw a thread this week saying Charles did good with Islam. When you rewatch the fight, you see that Charles did not achieve anything beside an upkick and some stalemate clinchs.

Usman vs Khamzat should have been a draw. Usman won the 2nd and 3rd but lost the first 10-8. Interestingly I recently watched Till vs DDP, which was a much more dominant round for DDP where he landed over 60 strikes, landed multiple takedowns and caused damage to Till's face. It was scored a 10-9. A takedown with no offence does not seal a round in the current mma scoring. Khamzat didn't win the 3rd.

Islam Vs Volk 1 was a close fight that could have gone either way. Islam won via lay and pray back control. It's more an issue that a round where he literally threatened no offence from the best position in MMA was scored the same as a round he appeared to be dropped in and was barely surviving. Islam wins 48-47, no hometown decisions in Australia that day.

Volk vs Max 2 is clearly Volks. Max landed two quick knockdowns in the first that sealed extremely close rounds. Those knockdowns involve nothing more than a second on the ground and Volk was back up throwing immediately. Max lost that fight by taking the 3rd off thinking he had banked two rounds and never got another round back.

No issues on the rest of the fights. I mostly agree and never actually watched ALdo vs Moraes.

 

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[OldBoy91]

Lots of fights involving Michael Bisping winning, mostly due to how disliked he is around here and not because they actually were robberies, because they weren't.

Michael Bisping vs Matt Hammill- Close fight but not a robbery. Hammil got a bunch of takedowns but wasn't able to do anything with any of them and Bisping always was able to get back up after a short time. The rest of the fight was Bisping outstriking Matt before being taken down again. Scoring criteria dictates that you have to do something with takedowns in order for it to be worthy of stacking up points. Hammill never did. People say this is the worst robbery of all time when it was actually just a close fight that people really wanted the winner to lose in.

Michael Bisping vs Anderson Silva- Clear 3 rounds to 2 decision for Bisping. People say it was a robbery because Anderson won by KO in round 3. When you can just watch the fight and see this is a lie. Anderson does a flying knee at a distracted Bisping (Herb Dean's fault by the way) and drops him. Bisping, who according to Sherdog narrative is out cold at this point, immediately starts giving Herb Dean an earful because what happened was his fault.

Bisping vs Hendo 2- Narrative is Hendo was robbed, did more damage. Dropped Bisping twice. However the 2 H bombs he landed were the only 2 significant strikes he landed over a 25 minute fight. For 23 and a half minutes Bisping gave Hendo a kickboxing lesson, had him wobbled multiple times on the feet and pieced him up for the whole fight. Clear as day 4 rounds to 1 decision for Bisping.

Yoshihiro Akiyama vs Alan Belcher- Never understood why Sherdog calls this fight a robbery. The striking was dead even for the entire fight, with neither man getting the better of the other, and the grappling was very one sided for Akiyama. He was able to take Belcher down, always get top position and control Belcher on the ground. When the striking is so even and the grappling is that one sided you have to give the win to the guy who outgrappled the other, which was clearly Akiyama.

Sean O'Malley vs Petr Yan- similar to Hammill vs Bisping, this fight being called a robbery is heavily influenced by Sherdog not liking one of the fighters and wanting badly for him to lose. It was a close fight that could have gone either way. O'Malley did more damage in the striking and Yan made up for that with some takedowns and a small bit of control time. The fight depends on what you score more heavily, but the official scoring guidelines place damage at the forefront so they gave it to O'Malley.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

GSP 48-47. .. Hendricks said he lost because he took the 5th round off. He even taps out

 

[LEWIS540]

Anytime a fighter I wanted to win loses a competitive decision it is a clear robbery, imo.

 

[RedDevilFan]

This is subjective to the person. Your viewpoint here cannot be talked about as if you are making factual statements when you talk about what someone else thinks. As much as you may not like it, it is an opinion. There is always a narrative when it comes to someones perception. Perception” and “reality,” you will see that reality excludes perception. Perception is a way of understanding or interpreting things. Reality is the state of things as they actually exist.There are facts and there are opinions.

Even fights deemed robberies. I thought Jones did enough to beat Reyes but some thought Reyes won the fight or won it in such a fashion that he was robbed. At the end of the day that is their opinion, even with statistical facts or data.

So who or what someone deems a robbery will always be open to debate because an opinion is a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. I feel you are fighting in the wind but it does help to drop facts.

 

[mmadeewana]

Gus vs Jones 1 was not a robbery IMO and so was Thiago vs Jones

 

[OldBoy91]

A couple more.

Michael Bisping vs Chael Sonnen- I gave a bunch of so called robberies where Bisping was the deserved winner so here is one where he was the deserved loser. Fight was a lot closer than people thought it would be, because at the time Chael's stock was at an all time high after beating Anderson for 24 minutes straight and then walking through Brian Stann. Bisping at that point was considered to be a lower half top 10 guy who had nothing for the elite. Instead Bisping gave Chael fits and many including Dana said he won the fight. He didn't. The striking was fairly even, even with Chael admitting he was hurt multiple times on the feet. Chael also got the only takedown of the fight and even got to full mount for a brief moment. He was the deserved winner in a super close fight.

Wonderboy vs Darren Till- People call this a hometown decision and almost all the MMA media scored the fight for Thompson which is just kind boggling. Nothing happened in the fight. It was a glorified staring contest which was dead even until the final round where Till dropped WB with his patented straight left. He was the only one to land anything significant in the fight and given how even the rest was nobody should have complained about the result. The only people robbed were the fans watching that snorefest.

Jon Jones vs Alexander Gustafsson 1- Similarly to Bisping vs Chael, Gus was expected to get walked over and instead gave Jones the toughest fight of his career. Probably took years off of each other lives actually. That being said Jones was the deserved winner. He sealed the W in the later rounds by putting a stamp on rounds 4 and 5. Rocking Gus badly with that spinning back elbow and rendering Gus on autopilot until the final bell.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

I feel like some robberies are just created by fans to justify a narrative. Some fights are deemed a robberies retroactively when convinient.

Like Usman vs Chimaev, some people argue Usman won or that it's a draw.
When you look at the fight live, it's a clear Chimaev round 1 win, Usman claws back his way in round 2, has decent momentum at the start of round 3 and then gets taken down and does nothing.

Islam vs Volk 1 is another example. Watching it live, Islam was always a step ahead and outstuck Volk, Volk had great moments in round 5 and had a good slip/kd but that's not enough to win the fight.

Marlon Morraes vs Aldo is another good example. Aldo got hurt bad in round 1, round 2 he found his groove back and in round 3 he pressure Marlon non-stop but he was the one getting damaged. Hovewer, the robbery narrative was convinient for the ufc to justify an Aldo TS and some fans ran with it.

Whittaker vs Izzy 2 is another good example. It's was a pretty close fight but Izzy had the best moments by hurting Whittaker and matained control of the fight despite the takedowns.

Volk vs Max 2 is another good example. Prior the trilogy it was a good way to justify it by saying they were even. Now that the dust has settled, we can agree it was a close fight that Volk barely edged.

Strickland vs Jared is another good example. A pretty boring fight where both fighters did not managed to fully achieve their gameplan. Sean did not drown Jared and Jared did not find a big shot. Jared edged it because of his power. Now that Sean is champ, soem fans are pretending he was robbed.


Final note with Usman vs Edwards 2. Some fans are on crack and think Usman won lol.
I also saw a thread this week saying Charles did good with Islam. When you rewatch the fight, you see that Charles did not achieve anything beside an upkick and some stalemate clinchs.

"Charles did good with Islam"
That thread was B.S.. Charles had nothing for Islam in that fight.

 

[fortheo]

I feel like some robberies are just created by fans to justify a narrative. Some fights are deemed a robberies retroactively when convinient.

Like Usman vs Chimaev, some people argue Usman won or that it's a draw.
When you look at the fight live, it's a clear Chimaev round 1 win, Usman claws back his way in round 2, has decent momentum at the start of round 3 and then gets taken down and does nothing.

Islam vs Volk 1 is another example. Watching it live, Islam was always a step ahead and outstuck Volk, Volk had great moments in round 5 and had a good slip/kd but that's not enough to win the fight.

Marlon Morraes vs Aldo is another good example. Aldo got hurt bad in round 1, round 2 he found his groove back and in round 3 he pressure Marlon non-stop but he was the one getting damaged. Hovewer, the robbery narrative was convinient for the ufc to justify an Aldo TS and some fans ran with it.

Whittaker vs Izzy 2 is another good example. It's was a pretty close fight but Izzy had the best moments by hurting Whittaker and matained control of the fight despite the takedowns.

Volk vs Max 2 is another good example. Prior the trilogy it was a good way to justify it by saying they were even. Now that the dust has settled, we can agree it was a close fight that Volk barely edged.

Strickland vs Jared is another good example. A pretty boring fight where both fighters did not managed to fully achieve their gameplan. Sean did not drown Jared and Jared did not find a big shot. Jared edged it because of his power. Now that Sean is champ, soem fans are pretending he was robbed.


Final note with Usman vs Edwards 2. Some fans are on crack and think Usman won lol.
I also saw a thread this week saying Charles did good with Islam. When you rewatch the fight, you see that Charles did not achieve anything beside an upkick and some stalemate clinchs.

Islam himself said volk caught him with a good punch in that knockdown sequence. Not sure why people can't accept the fact that the guy is human.

Anyways, I'll never understand how anyone scored the Diaz vs. Condit fight for Diaz.

 

[suffersystem]

Lots of fights involving Michael Bisping winning, mostly due to how disliked he is around here and not because they actually were robberies, because they weren't.

Michael Bisping vs Matt Hammill- Close fight but not a robbery. Hammil got a bunch of takedowns but wasn't able to do anything with any of them and Bisping always was able to get back up after a short time. The rest of the fight was Bisping outstriking Matt before being taken down again. Scoring criteria dictates that you have to do something with takedowns in order for it to be worthy of stacking up points. Hammill never did. People say this is the worst robbery of all time when it was actually just a close fight that people really wanted the winner to lose in.

Michael Bisping vs Anderson Silva- Clear 3 rounds to 2 decision for Bisping. People say it was a robbery because Anderson won by KO in round 3. When you can just watch the fight and see this is a lie. Anderson does a flying knee at a distracted Bisping (Herb Dean's fault by the way) and drops him. Bisping, who according to Sherdog narrative is out cold at this point, immediately starts giving Herb Dean an earful because what happened was his fault.

Bisping vs Hendo 2- Narrative is Hendo was robbed, did more damage. Dropped Bisping twice. However the 2 H bombs he landed were the only 2 significant strikes he landed over a 25 minute fight. For 23 and a half minutes Bisping gave Hendo a kickboxing lesson, had him wobbled multiple times on the feet and pieced him up for the whole fight. Clear as day 4 rounds to 1 decision for Bisping.

Yoshihiro Akiyama vs Alan Belcher- Never understood why Sherdog calls this fight a robbery. The striking was dead even for the entire fight, with neither man getting the better of the other, and the grappling was very one sided for Akiyama. He was able to take Belcher down, always get top position and control Belcher on the ground. When the striking is so even and the grappling is that one sided you have to give the win to the guy who outgrappled the other, which was clearly Akiyama.

Sean O'Malley vs Petr Yan- similar to Hammill vs Bisping, this fight being called a robbery is heavily influenced by Sherdog not liking one of the fighters and wanting badly for him to lose. It was a close fight that could have gone either way. O'Malley did more damage in the striking and Yan made up for that with some takedowns and a small bit of control time. The fight depends on what you score more heavily, but the official scoring guidelines place damage at the forefront so they gave it to O'Malley.

I def agree about the Bisping Silva fight. Though it was more Silva lost that fight more than Bisping won. How Silva went out to the fourth roudn and just did nothing but put his back against the fence when he had Bisping obviously hurt I will never understand.

 

[usernamee]

any close fight gets called a robbery so there's like 400 of them out there

 

[sonhow]

Lots of fights involving Michael Bisping winning, mostly due to how disliked he is around here and not because they actually were robberies, because they weren't.

Michael Bisping vs Matt Hammill- Close fight but not a robbery. Hammil got a bunch of takedowns but wasn't able to do anything with any of them and Bisping always was able to get back up after a short time. The rest of the fight was Bisping outstriking Matt before being taken down again. Scoring criteria dictates that you have to do something with takedowns in order for it to be worthy of stacking up points. Hammill never did. People say this is the worst robbery of all time when it was actually just a close fight that people really wanted the winner to lose in.

Michael Bisping vs Anderson Silva- Clear 3 rounds to 2 decision for Bisping. People say it was a robbery because Anderson won by KO in round 3. When you can just watch the fight and see this is a lie. Anderson does a flying knee at a distracted Bisping (Herb Dean's fault by the way) and drops him. Bisping, who according to Sherdog narrative is out cold at this point, immediately starts giving Herb Dean an earful because what happened was his fault.

Bisping vs Hendo 2- Narrative is Hendo was robbed, did more damage. Dropped Bisping twice. However the 2 H bombs he landed were the only 2 significant strikes he landed over a 25 minute fight. For 23 and a half minutes Bisping gave Hendo a kickboxing lesson, had him wobbled multiple times on the feet and pieced him up for the whole fight. Clear as day 4 rounds to 1 decision for Bisping.

Yoshihiro Akiyama vs Alan Belcher- Never understood why Sherdog calls this fight a robbery. The striking was dead even for the entire fight, with neither man getting the better of the other, and the grappling was very one sided for Akiyama. He was able to take Belcher down, always get top position and control Belcher on the ground. When the striking is so even and the grappling is that one sided you have to give the win to the guy who outgrappled the other, which was clearly Akiyama.

Sean O'Malley vs Petr Yan- similar to Hammill vs Bisping, this fight being called a robbery is heavily influenced by Sherdog not liking one of the fighters and wanting badly for him to lose. It was a close fight that could have gone either way. O'Malley did more damage in the striking and Yan made up for that with some takedowns and a small bit of control time. The fight depends on what you score more heavily, but the official scoring guidelines place damage at the forefront so they gave it to O'Malley.

Id also like to add Thales Leites to fake Bisping robbery list

Excellent posts by the way

 

[TheMadHatter]

another good example

 

[moreorless87]

Lots of fights involving Michael Bisping winning, mostly due to how disliked he is around here and not because they actually were robberies, because they weren't.

Michael Bisping vs Matt Hammill- Close fight but not a robbery. Hammil got a bunch of takedowns but wasn't able to do anything with any of them and Bisping always was able to get back up after a short time. The rest of the fight was Bisping outstriking Matt before being taken down again. Scoring criteria dictates that you have to do something with takedowns in order for it to be worthy of stacking up points. Hammill never did. People say this is the worst robbery of all time when it was actually just a close fight that people really wanted the winner to lose in.

I think Bisping being a heel to US audiences at this time played a bit part in this being viewed as some extreme robbery.

Real robberies are things like Machida/Shogun 1 in which one guy got 2-3 rounds given to him that he shouldnt have,

 

[OldBoy91]

I think Bisping being a heel to US audiences at this time played a bit part in this being viewed as some extreme robbery.

Real robberies are things like Machida/Shogun 1 in which one guy got 2-3 rounds given to him that he shouldnt have,

Honestly I think a lot of the most egregious robberies are fights people don't even remember because they don't care about either of the fighters involved.

My go to example is always Michihiro Omigawa vs Darren Elkins on the JDS/Carwin card. It was on early in the prelims and both were coming off of losses. Should have been a very clear 30-27 for Omigawa.

He outboxed Elkins in all 3 rounds, butchering his face (which has since become Elkins' calling card of course). Essentially landed everything he threw whilst avoiding any returning fire with some really slick head movement. Everytime Elkins went for a takedown he shrugged him off easily with his strong judo base, it was a complete shutout.

All 3 judges scored the fight for Elkins and someone even gave Elkins a 30-27. Nobody cared. Commentary didn't really dwell on it beyond some mild surprise at the result right after, never saw any threads here about it. Never gets brought up in threads about the worst robberies, except for when I mention it.

Yet its not uncommon to see fights fhat weren't even robberies get talked about as being the worst of all time, and it always involves champions or the big names of the sport.