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nothing beats a shotgun for home defense, period.
I'll beat your ass for some home defense, how about that shit.
nothing beats a shotgun for home defense, period.
Just wondering why someone would need to carry a .45 for personal defense. . . people act like you can walk through 9mm bullets or something.
Nub question here.:
9mm bullet is perfectly capable of piercing a human skull right?
DS614 said:Nub question here.:
9mm bullet is perfectly capable of piercing a human skull right?
Modern technology has made the stopping power of defensive 9mm loads more than adequate for self defense applications while still retaining size efficiency and higher magazine capacities, laws notwithstanding. That being said, some people prefer shooting a bigger, heavier, more expensive bullet because they're "old school" or whatever, and that's cool too.
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I'll beat your ass for some home defense, how about that shit.
In your opinion. Many people agree with you, many don't.
with respect, this is plain wrong. It would depend entirely on the situation, and overpenetration is more or less unavoidable (as almost any caliber of gun/shot gun will penetrate enough to kill someone in the other room)an ar15 is a stupid choice for home defense.
Thats true, but same goes for 9mm, 45acp, 00 buck etc.The risk of over-penetration with a .223 (5.56) round is HUGE. Interior (and often exterior walls) are not sufficient to lessen lethality in the next room...
Not sure if serious. You really think an ar round (5.56mm) has a significantly lower chance of hitting someone than a 9mm-12mm round simply because its 5-6mm's thinner? Please tell me i misunderstood this.While it's unlikely an ar round will hit something since it's so small, does she really want to risk hitting one of her kids in the next room cause it went through the bad guy or she missed him all together.
AR is a stupid choice. Get her used to the shotgun (with a nice cushy limbsaver recoil pad) and she'd be FAR better off. even putting her on a 20guage would be better than the AR.
I can't see any other weapon that is more effective than a shotgun with buckshot for home defense. I'm not talking about a long ass hunting shotgun, but a smaller one.
1- unmatched stopping power (you dont have to hit vital organs, shoulder or leg will work)
2- follow up shot is fast (pump)
3- virtually no jams (pump)
4- intimidating factor (pump action cock sound)
5- hits a larger area than a single bullet
an ar15 is a stupid choice for home defense. The risk of over-penetration with a .223 (5.56) round is HUGE. Interior (and often exterior walls) are not sufficient to lessen lethality in the next room... hell, interior walls and a fridge won't sufficiently slow the bullet. While it's unlikely an ar round will hit something since it's so small, does she really want to risk hitting one of her kids in the next room cause it went through the bad guy or she missed him all together.
AR is a stupid choice. Get her used to the shotgun (with a nice cushy limbsaver recoil pad) and she'd be FAR better off. even putting her on a 20guage would be better than the AR.
First off, no disrespect to the poster, but it is highly unlikely that you will buy a gun used in a crime at a used gun shop. To sell a gun to a store you need to have a title which has your information and the information of whoever you bought your gun from. Also, on that title in the NSN, and all other information about the gun, round size barrel size, etc. This is for the very reason of people using guns in crimes and trying to sell them. No gun store will buy a gun with a scratched off serial number, and with good reason.
Second, whoever recommended the ar-15, here a few pros and cons of the weapon, or rifle. First, to whoever doesn't know, the AR-15 is the civilian model of an M-16, the one time standard military weapon. It is an upgrade of the earlier AR-10 model, and used .223, or 5.56 mm rounds. It is easy to fit an ACOG or red-dot sight onto it. The weapon is extremely easy to take apart and clean, and it is the easiest thing in the world to shoot and determine where and how to take off the safety.
However, I would never recommend it to be used as a home defense weapon. I mean come on, I understand it would be effective in a sense, but definately overkill. You might as well recommended that he/she needs to buy the m-203 grenade launcher attachment. The AR-15 is an assault rifle, best used on the battlefield, or a theraputic day at the range. Prone supported with this weapon even with ironsights makes 300-400 meter targets a cakewalk. But do you really think this person wants to bust out the rifle during a home invasion and sling it up, maybe walk around the house on amber? The rounds are also very expensive, and at the range you seem to want to use it at, the long range effectiveness does not come into play.
Lastly, I would recommend using a 9mm as your starter gun. A 40 or 45 has a bit of kick to it, so unless you want to act like Billy Badass or scare intruders, I would recommend the 9. If you want to scare somebody, I would recommend a Desert Eagle 50 cal anyways:icon_twis. As far as 9mils go, I would have to recommend either a GLOCK 17 or 19, the 17 holds, you guessed it, 17 rounds! Also, the GLOCK has no safety other than cocking the hammer back, and is another weapon that is simple to take apart and clean. Another choice would be a Smith and Wesson 9mm MP model. Good price, and very reliable as well. There are two safetys on the weapon, and to be honest I recommend the GLOCK over it, but it is cheaper new than a used GLOCK. Above all else, take some weapons to the range and see what fits your style, maybe that AR-15 is the weapon for you, you wont know until you try it out!
To sell a gun to a store you need to have a title which has your information and the information of whoever you bought your gun from.