i love the Lynchian first half & even though the Red Dragon story in the second half was maybe a bit rushed, it was also the third time that story has been adapted to the screen, so it didn’t really bother me. then the finale was lit.
This show was 10 years ahead of its time. It would have been a home run on a streaming platform.
Twin Peaks aired in 1990 then the return was in 2017 (only two years after Hannibal s3 aired)
Even though we saw Hannibal kill Beverly earlier, the full reveal of psychopathic predator Hannibal in the S2 finale was so well done.The GOAT dramatic series, and the Season 2 finale is the GOAT episode of TV. I've intentionally been putting off a rewatch to let as much time elapse as possible so that it can feel as fresh as possible...but it's really an exercise in futility since the images and the dialogue are burned in my memory.
bless yer heart. it always warms my loins when we’re on the same page seeing eye2eyeOh, of course. When it premiered and as I was following the episodes, the jump from Season 2 was jarring, plus I had my issues with the show's Francis/Red Dragon being into yoga - although I was always going to have my issues with another Francis/Red Dragon because I hold Tom Noonan's work in Manhunter in such high esteem as possibly the GOAT villainous performance in film history - but it's like ranking Kubrick movies, or Bulls championship seasons, etc.: It's kind of pointless because across the board we're talking about peerless excellence. Like I said, I've been intentionally putting off rewatching it, but from my last viewing, I'd rank the seasons 2>3>1.
What Season 3 had that made it so powerful for me was that sense of nostalgia. Season 1 was full of mystery as we got to know the characters, Season 2 was full of suspense as we wondered who'd do what, but Season 3 was filled with loss/longing as we watched how the characters reacted to previous events.
The "I forgive you" scene is amazing, as is their reunion scene ("To market, to market, to buy a fat pig; home again, home again, jiggety-jig"); I couldn't believe how far they went with the head slicing scene, and then that painful "break up" scene followed by Hannibal turning himself in so that Will would always know where to find him is so gloriously twisted and perfectly in keeping with the toxic bromance; and then their bromance becoming a sort of buddy cop battle against the Red Dragon culminating in that "This is all I ever wanted for you" Thelma and Louise off the cliff ending..."It's beautiful." My only legit gripe is how Fuller, for fun purely to tip his hat to his audience, did that stupid Gillian at the dinner table scene hinting that Hannibal (and maybe also Will) survived the cliff fall. That's literally the only significant blemish in the entire run of the series in my book, and it's not that significant and not that much of a blemish. Had he not added that little tag, I'd consider the show a perfect 10/10 flawless masterpiece. With it, it's just a measly 9.999999999999999/10 masterpiece
i’m gonna go back & read through the thread because i need that validation. especially when it comes from my SMD brother, fighting the good fight, because i respect your posts/thoughts/opinions that seamlessly blend goofy fanboyism w/ well-reasoned analysis… even if i totally wanna kick your ass a lot of the timeFor my own little trip down memory lane, I read through this whole thread and I didn't remember being as high on Season 3 during its premiere as I was. I was fucking loving it even as I was seeing it for the first time, and if you haven't gone back through this thread, you'll appreciate me fighting the good fight as others were bitching and moaning and I was sticking up for its brilliance as it was unfolding its final storyline. I'd forgotten that Gillian irritated me as much as she did in the early going, but I guess with time I assumed that I was a stick in the mud when seeing it for the first time, but no, I was on board from the jump. So over time that I came to love Season 3 even more is just a testament to its awesomeness. I'd also forgotten about the Jack/Hannibal rematch scored to the Clockwork Orange music. God, I loved all the Kubrick references in this show
I haven't seen Severance. I honestly hadn't even heard of it until right now. Looking it up, it sounds very Matrix-y/Don't Worry Darling-y/Westworld-y. And Ben Stiller directing it? The Cable Guy is a criminally underrated dark comedy masterpiece, but I wouldn't imagine him directing what Wikipedia calls a "science fiction psychological thriller." Are you liking it?
It was actually kinda strange because the first two seasons where original content then season 3 was pretty much a word for word remake of Manhunter/Red Dragon. Which is kinda strange. I loved it but why do it a third time? it makes me think they may have run out of ideas and that is why it was cancelled, i dunno just guessing on that one.
YES I’m so glad so many others love it as much as I didThe GOAT dramatic series, and the Season 2 finale is the GOAT episode of TV. I've intentionally been putting off a rewatch to let as much time elapse as possible so that it can feel as fresh as possible...but it's really an exercise in futility since the images and the dialogue are burned in my memory.
heck yeah, i think you’ll really dig it too man!Cool, I'm gonna check it out
Hahah I couldn’t get through 2 episodes after LOVING the first 2 seasons.
Hmm, sounds interesting, and your recommendation bumps it up considerably higher on my watchlist. For whatever reason, I've been on an old show kick lately - I rewatched The Wire and then seeing the entire Oz cast made me want to rewatch Oz - but I've been wanting to see at least shows new to me if not brand new shows, so I have Mad Men ready to go (tried it once over a decade ago and want to try again) and now Severance is on the list, too. No idea when I'll get to it, but when I do, I'll tag you for sure.
This was Fuller's plan from the jump: He wanted the backstory "prologue" type stuff to lead into the book adaptations. But, genius that he is, he was still threading through book material even in the first two seasons, from the Clarice arc with that missing FBI agent to the animal guy Will had to take out who was a clear Red Dragon analogue. Eventually, though, Fuller was going to get to the books, and when he did, it was going to become a true adaptation. Still, though, he introduced his own twists and played with the characters and events, as well as the timeline combining prologue books with the "proper" Hannibal books---like the Will/Francis museum throwdown, which wasn't in the book but which was one of the coolest parts of the series, not to mention the sequence when Hannibal sics Francis on Will's family, which is a non-issue in both the book Red Dragon and the film Manhunter but which was done very differently in Hannibal.
Even as Fuller started to work through a specific book for a specific season, there was still plenty of originality to go around.
To clarify, you're asking me if it's worth it to watch the GOAT dramatic series?
For further clarification, are you saying that there were two episodes in Season 3 that you disliked or are you saying that you tried to watch Season 3, couldn't even make it through the first two episodes, and still haven't even seen Season 3?
Regardless of how you answer the above, though, my answer is still the same: Watch Season 3 immediately so that you can see the entirety of the GOAT dramatic series
