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[Philo-Publius]

In huge part, yes. Are you going to deny the costs of the unnecessary war in Iraq that Bush got us in to? I highly suggest you look at this stuff before posting because you're really bombing.

Of course. I'm bombing? What a joke. Obama sited the national debt during his 2008 campaign as though his polices would be the medicine that fixed the problem. But, in fact, Obama's polices more than doubled that debt. Obama was nothing more than a con man.

What do you think Obama did to increase the debt?

What do you think Obama did to reduce the debt?

 

[Jack V Savage]

What do you think Obama did to reduce the debt?

The ACA essentially fixed the long-term debt problem. The ARRA led to growth which reduced short-term deficits. And you're shifting the goalposts. You clearly implied that Obama did something to cause the the debt to increase, but you have no idea what that might be.

 

[Philo-Publius]

The ACA essentially fixed the long-term debt problem. The ARRA led to growth which reduced short-term deficits. And you're shifting the goalposts. You clearly implied that Obama did something to cause the the debt to increase, but you have no idea what that might be.

Clearly, the ACA has not reduced the national debt. It was passed nearly 8 years ago. What a pathetic farce to claim that it will. And, the goal posts have not been shifted. Not in any way, shape, or form. You have evaded explaining what steps Obama took to reduce the national debt (a campaign promise). Clearly, his policies didn't pan out...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterf...rnment-spender-in-world-history/#293527271084

"Spending explosion!"

 

[mcveteran81]

Lol to people who think our economy is growing or unemployment is under 5%

When you have over 200 people competing for entry level jobs, that should tell you something. When we're facing a car bubble and loaning housing bubble *again* that should tell you something.

Bitcoins that should tell you something, but I digress, keep holding onto lies, the truths will come out sooner then you guys expect.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Clearly, the ACA has not reduced the national debt.

Clearly it has.

It was passed nearly 8 years ago. What a pathetic farce to claim that it will.

Well, that's what all economic projections that I've seen show. What are you looking at? Nothing, right? Just your partisan bias?

And, the goal posts have not been shifted. Not in any way, shape, or form. You have evaded explaining what steps Obama took to reduce the national debt (a campaign promise). Clearly, his policies didn't pan out...

You asked the question, and I answered. Doesn't sound like you're actually even curious about the answer. What do you think Obama did to increase the debt?

 

[Philo-Publius]

Clearly it has.

In a way, you remind me of Obama himself when he was on the campaign trail talking about his ability to fix the national debt problem. Tell a story in conflict with reality, despite that obvious reality, until it becomes "truth." The ACA has done absolutely nothing to reduce our national debt...

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Well, that's what all economic projections that I've seen show. What are you looking at? Nothing, right? Just your partisan bias?

Partisan bias is giving credit where credit is not due. Hilarious how after 8 years of the ACA, and other Obama policies, there has been no reduction in the national debt. But, after Trump becomes president, these absent "projections" you have "seen" show a reduction in the debt and give credit to the ACA for it.

You asked the question, and I answered. Doesn't sound like you're actually even curious about the answer. What do you think Obama did to increase the debt?

You have answered nothing. Some pretty basic mathematics (addition) shows that Obama did nothing to reduce the national debt. We all know he proposed some pretty hefty budgets despite the debt, in contrast with his succesor who is expected to reduce spending by trillions over the next decade.

 

[Jack V Savage]

In a way, you remind me of Obama himself when he was on the campaign trail talking about his ability to fix the national debt problem. Tell a story in conflict with reality, despite that obvious reality, until it becomes "truth." The ACA has done absolutely nothing to reduce our national debt...

Your arguments seem to be:

1. It makes you mad to hear facts that you don't like.
2. The debt is still a big number so no policy that has taken effect could have possibly had an impact.

You further are not able to articulate what you think Obama did to increase the debt (my first question to you), though you feel certain that it's something. I can't really argue with your emotions.

 

[Philo-Publius]

Your arguments seem to be:

1. It makes you mad to hear facts that you don't like.
2. The debt is still a big number so no policy that has taken effect could have possibly had an impact.

You further are not able to articulate what you think Obama did to increase the debt (my first question to you), though you feel certain that it's something. I can't really argue with your emotions.

You can't argue at all. You can only misstate the truth to perpetuate a false narrative.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You can't argue at all. You can only misstate the truth to perpetuate a false narrative.

What's to argue with? You don't even know why you hold your own position.

 

[Philo-Publius]

What's to argue with? You don't even know why you hold your own position.

Oh, but I do.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

 

[Jack V Savage]

Oh, but I do.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

What is that supposed to mean? Just "oh the number looks big if you don't understand how big the country and economy are?" If you want to get a real sense of the debt burden, look at annual payments relative to GDP (quite low now) and projected changes in that (greatly stabilized as a result of the ACA).

 

[Rod1]

The president starts with his predecesor budget you know.

Also the size of the debt needs to be compared to the size of the economy.

 

[Philo-Publius]

The president starts with his predecesor budget you know.

Also the size of the debt needs to be compared to the size of the economy.

And after 8 years in office the, budget no longer belonged to his predecessor.

And, he certainly wasn't very forgiving of the debt incurred during the Bush years.

 

[Rod1]

And after 8 years in office the, budget no longer belonged to his predecessor.

And, he certainly wasn't very forgiving of the debt incurred during the Bush years.

If we go by your chart and taking into account the 1 year fiscal lag then it comes to Obama raising the debt from 14 trillions to 18.9, Bush went from 5.9 to 14.

So Obama actually reduced the deficits Bush was carrying and during a recession.

 

[Philo-Publius]

If we go by your chart and taking into account the 1 year fiscal lag then it comes to Obama raising the debt from 14 trillions to 18.9, Bush went from 5.9 to 14.

So Obama actually reduced the deficits Bush was carrying and during a recession.

That chart only went to 2015.