How good was Dariusz Michalczewski?

I remembered an open invitation to fight here from RJJ, Roy just didn't want to fight in Germany and Dariusz never would make the trip across the pond for that one. Roy was certainly the "A" side of that one, so if DM wanted to fight him we would have seen it. That's how I remember it, but it's been a while, I know.

I think RJJ would have beat him without question as well. Not that he wasn't very good, but prime RJJ? No.
 
Obviously neither guy was too confident in their ability to score a KO.
 
Now we know Roy has a chin like King Khan, who knows?

What about Dariusz ' glass heart? Roy never faked an injury to to end a fight like Dariusz did against Rochigiani.
 
I don't blame anyone for not wanting to fight a Germany based fighter in Germany. Scammerland Promotions et al have always made it a point to spend more money on judges than anything else. And certainly not some like Roy Jones Jr, the way he got cheated out of an Olympic gold medal.

Roy would not have lost many rounds again Dariusz (in any other place than Germany), I think. Dariusz was decent, though.
 
I don't blame anyone for not wanting to fight an American star in the States or fight a British fighter in the UK either. Dodgy decisions occur with foreigners getting shafted the world over.
 
I like road warriors like Muhammad Ali and Vitali Klitschko.
It would be cool to see Floyd fight at some place outside the US. The Hatton fight would've been huge in London, the Gatti fight in Canada and the Canelo fight in Mexico. But Floyd never left the US.
 
I like road warriors like Muhammad Ali and Vitali Klitschko.
It would be cool to see Floyd fight at some place outside the US. The Hatton fight would've been huge in London, the Gatti fight in Canada and the Canelo fight in Mexico. But Floyd never left the US.

*Manchester

Gatti fight happened in Atlantic City - where Gatti was a draw.

As to the rest? Nevada offers a better rate of tax. If I were a name boxer, I wouldn't fight in England when I'd be taxed less in Nevada.
 
*Manchester

I know where he's from. London was just the town that popped up in my mind first.

Gatti fight happened in Atlantic City - where Gatti was a draw.

As to the rest? Nevada offers a better rate of tax. If I were a name boxer, I wouldn't fight in England when I'd be taxed less in Nevada.

I see you turned it into a economical angle, which wasn't quite my point.

Is the tax gap really that big by the way?
 
I know where he's from. London was just the town that popped up in my mind first.



I see you turned it into a economical angle, which wasn't quite my point.

Is the tax gap really that big by the way?

Well, you can't really ignore economics when talking about where fights take place. Ali didn't fight all over the world just for the love of it, did he? Economic reasons were a factor.

And yeah, it'd be significant. It's the reason any suggestion of Mayweather fighting in the UK involve Wembley - it's the only way to offset the loss of casino site fees and tax issues.
 
I don't blame anyone for not wanting to fight an American star in the States or fight a British fighter in the UK either. Dodgy decisions occur with foreigners getting shafted the world over.

Before the Klitschkos, were there any worthy opponents based in Germany? Doesn't make sense for someone like Roy Jones Jr. to go to Germany to face a lesser opponent. If anything, if Dariusz refused to come to the U.S. and fight then he was the one ducking Jones.
 
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Before the Klitschkos, were there any worthy opponents based in Germany? Doesn't make sense for someone like Roy Jones Jr. to go to Germany to face a lesser opponent. If anything, if Dariusz refused to come to the U.S. and fight then he was the one ducking Jones.

Way to miss the fucking point, as usual.

Also, don't pretend to know anything about Dariusz Michalczewski, GhostRacist.

He didn't seem that great from the highlights. I think Golovkin, a middleweight, would beat him.

Seriously, why even comment when you know nothing about him? Just run with scissors already.
 
I Think that DM was a great LHW.We will never know how he would have done against Roy but that shouldnt take away what he did do at 175.He had a hell of a run and beat some good(and a couple great) fighters along the way.I dont know if id put him in my top 10 LHWs of all time but hes a top 25 all day.But he will probably never be given the credit that hes due because of the fight with RJJ never taking place.
 
Before the Klitschkos, were there any worthy opponents based in Germany? Doesn't make sense for someone like Roy Jones Jr. to go to Germany to face a lesser opponent. If anything, if Dariusz refused to come to the U.S. and fight then he was the one ducking Jones.

what do you mean it doesn't make sense? winning the lineal title makes a whole lot of sense. Sure, Michalzewski could have gone to the US, but RJJ should be held equally responsible for not going to Germany. In fact, RJJ kinda shot himself in the foot when he ordered that HBO never mention his name. That kills the marketability of the fight in the US and ensures that for it to be marketable, it can only take place in Germany.
 
Idk, Im not an expert yet, I haven't had a chance to watch any highlights on the guy...
 
Alright sports fans, over the past month I've watched every single one of Dariusz' fights on Youtube. Literally, every single one. I doubt any of you can say the same thing. Here's my take on him.

Definitely Top 10 LHW on the all-time list. Without question. He fought top quality opposition throughout his career and had a habit of beating them definitively. Rocchigianni, Thadzi, Hall, Hill, Griffin, Piper, and Barber were all top ranked LHW's when he fought them and he clearly beat all of them. Go look at all-timers like Bob Foster and Dick Tiger's records; their records are padded with far lesser fighters interspersed with big names. Just because he never left Europe to fight does not automatically mean his opponents sucked.

To watch him evolve as a fighter was really amazing. He started out as a basic pressure fighter with a huge right hand and left hook, with a decent front headlock (watch his fights) and not a whole lot else. As he grew, he developed the P4P most devastating jab I have ever seen in boxing. It wasn't the fastest or even the best but it was literally the most powerful jab I've ever seen from someone at 175. That thing damaged fighters' souls and was the major reason for a lot of his stoppages that occurred past the 8th round. His cardio was ridiculous too. No one was able to handle his pressure for 12 rounds without looking like they were going to explode and he always finished fights looking far fresher than his opposite man. His chin and overall toughness were absolutely amazing too, that first Rocchigianni fight notwithstanding. Gotta admire his ability to cut off the ring as well. Overall, he was one of the best pressure fighters LHW's ever had.

That being said, RJJ would've beat him pretty soundly, like he did to everyone else at LHW. DM didn't have anywhere near the head movement or foot speed to catch up to Roy or defend the barrages that would come his way. Again, no shame in that, seeing as no one else did either till Roy came back from HW and hit 36. If we're going to be honest with ourselves here though, RJJ is the 168 and 175 pound GOAT and in his prime no one should really be considered a favourite against him. IMO.

To conclude; in answer to your question TS, Der Tiger was freakin' awesome. One of the most entertaining and successful fighters of his era (despite the fact that most North Americans don't know much of anything about him) and one of the best LHW's of all time. Just not THE best.
 
Tryhard.... when's the last time you've posted here?
Seems like years ago.
 
TTT. This guy just doesn't get mentioned enough on the SD, which is a shame cuz he deserves it.
 
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