International Iran begins attack on Israel, launching dozens of drones that’ll take hours to arrive

[The XL]

Even in this complete fantasy world you live in where the West cuts off support to Israel, they are literally wealthy enough to just buy direct from international corporations and technologically advanced enough to just make more war materials themselves.

Will never change the fact that they're a tiny glass cannon. And if they're so wealthy, then why the fuck are we giving them billions a year?

 

[Rational Poster]

Will never change the fact that they're a tiny glass cannon. And if they're so wealthy, then why the fuck are we giving them billions a year?

Because we're friends and we want to help them kill terrorists.

 

[Sinister]

Even if Iran had taken it's best shot, they still wouldn't have achieved much beyond provoking Israel into bombing the fuck out of them. Which they'll probably do anyway.

I don't know what their best shot would or wouldn't accomplish, I'm just saying that that was a comically obvious pandering attack designed to fail and shouldnt be factored as Iran being strategically inept.

 

[Rational Poster]

I don't know what their best shot would or wouldn't accomplish, I'm just saying that that was a comically obvious pandering attack designed to fail and shouldnt be factored as Iran being strategically inept.

It was literally all the best weapons in their arsenal. There isn't some secret Iranian army with super secret better missiles.

That was the best they could do. The best they can do is just that shit.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I don't know what their best shot would or wouldn't accomplish, I'm just saying that that was a comically obvious pandering attack designed to fail and shouldnt be factored as Iran being strategically inept.

I agree that Iran did everything to limit damage short of shooting down the drones etc themselves. I still contend that Iran's military capability is severely limited.

 

[tramendous]

Even if Iran had taken it's best shot, they still wouldn't have achieved much beyond provoking Israel into bombing the fuck out of them. Which they'll probably do anyway.

If israel had the capability to bomb the fuck out of iran they wouldve done it and destroyed their nuclear plants. They dont have that capability unless they nuke Iran which they wont which is why theyre always clamoring for america to attack iran

 

[Sinister]

It was literally all the best weapons in their arsenal. There isn't some secret Iranian army with super secret better missiles.

That was the best they could do. The best they can do is just that shit.

They gave 72 hour notice of the attack lol. They may as well have e-mailed Israel personally to assure of the time the attack would be arriving.

 

[KnightTemplar]

If israel had the capability to bomb the fuck out of iran they wouldve done it and destroyed their nuclear plants. They dont have that capability unless they nuke Iran which they wont which is why theyre always clamoring for america to attack iran

If Iran can launch missiles and drones at Israel the IDF, which is superior to Iran's military in every way, can do the same.

It wouldn't be as effective as an American strike, of course. The US could wipe Iran off the map if they started swinging for the fences.

 

[Rational Poster]

They gave 72 hour notice of the attack lol. They may as well have e-mailed Israel personally to assure of the time the attack would be arriving.

They could have given 0 hours notice and every single missile would have been shot out of the sky.

Iran is over 1000 miles away, there's not exactly a way to do this in secret. The flight time is literally hours.

Their missiles and drones just suck. Poor copies of old soviet junk, which also sucks.

 

[Rational Poster]

Will never change the fact that they're a tiny glass cannon. And if they're so wealthy, then why the fuck are we giving them billions a year?

Imagine calling one of the most successful militaries of the 20th/21st century a glass cannon because you've become so blinded by hatred from online propaganda.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Will never change the fact that they're a tiny glass cannon. And if they're so wealthy, then why the fuck are we giving them billions a year?

The state itself would be very resilient, modern states in general are and the Israeli state is a very strong one in particular.

The problem is that while modern states are resilient in the face of modern wars, their societies aren't. A government can exist in a bunker and direct a war from there but if things get to that point chances are most of the population will be internally or externally displaced.

40% of Israel's population lives in the Tel Aviv metro area so just hitting that area alone could displace a chunk of Israel's population. They have virtually no strategic depth, even now with the war in Gaza many from the south and north have been displaced by the threat of war. In the event of a protracted all out war Israel could very well depopulate. This is why the Israelis are very paranoid and look to strike first and achieve decisive victories rather than allow protracted wars, they have zero geographic or demographic depth to rely on if things drag on and get ugly.

 

[Rod1]

"Sure it might destabilize global energy markets, lead to an upswing in terrorism, and trigger a refugee crisis in a country 4x the size of Syria but other than those very likely and catastrophic consequences what else could go wrong?"

Some people never learn I guess.

His original point was that the American voter wouldn't care for some reason.

 

[Islam Imamate]

His original point was that the American voter wouldn't care for some reason.

The average American probably wouldn't be affected directly as the Europeans who end up with the refugees would be but I can't imagine war with Iran would be popular with the voters.

 

[Rod1]

40% of Israel's population lives in the Tel Aviv metro area so just hitting that area alone could displace a chunk of Israel's population. They have virtually not strategic depth, even now with the war in Gaza many from the south and north have been displaced by the threat of war. In the event of a protracted all out war Israel could very well depopulate. This is why the Israelis are very paranoid and look to strike first and achieve decisive victories rather than allow protracted wars, they have zero geographic or demographic depth to rely on if things drag on and get ugly.

This, Israel had to abandon a lot of Northern Israel settlements simply because it was not cost effective to keep trying to protect the population from Hezbollah's pot shots.

I think Ukraine war is showing us how cheap drones really change the economics of war, you need some strategic depth to be able to see and intercept them.

 

[Rod1]

The average American probably wouldn't be affected directly as the Europeans who end up with the refugees would be but I can't imagine war with Iran would be popular with the voters.

 

[Rod1]

If Iran can launch missiles and drones at Israel the IDF, which is superior to Iran's military in every way, can do the same.

It wouldn't be as effective as an American strike, of course. The US could wipe Iran off the map if they started swinging for the fences.

Iran can launch drones and missiles because its a pariah and didn't cared for all the national aispaces it violated.

Jordan even used the "we aren't defending Israel, we are defending ourselves" argument for helping Israel.

While Israel may be able to pull off a strike, it would definitively cause several headaches for its political allies.

 

[kflo]

Without a global superpower to have their back at all times they will be ripped to shreds by the wolves that surround them. Iran and pretty much every Arab state wants them dead.

And a lot of posters on sherdog….

 

[The XL]

Imagine calling one of the most successful militaries of the 20th/21st century a glass cannon because you've become so blinded by hatred from online propaganda.

They're Iran's peer. They not as powerful as advertised. They're a small nation with a relatively low population that is very capable offensively. They're the definition of a glass cannon. They needed other nations help to shoot down Iran's attack which was more or less a glorified warning shot. They for sure would not be throwing their weight around to the extent that they do if they knew that they'd be on their own.

 

[Rational Poster]

They're Iran's peer. They not as powerful as advertised. They're a small nation with a relatively low population that is very capable offensively. They're the definition of a glass cannon. They needed other nations help to shoot down Iran's attack which was more or less a glorified warning shot. They for sure would not be throwing their weight around to the extent that they do if they knew that they'd be on their own.

Cool fan fiction.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Momma US imposes new sanctions on Iran after attack on Israel​

Sanctions against Iran’s missile and drone programmes come as fears mount over the possibility of greater regional escalation.

By Al Jazeera Staff
Published On 18 Apr 202418 Apr 2024

The administration of United States President Joe Biden has imposed new sanctions on Iran in response to its missile and drone attack on Israel, as tensions mount over the possibility of further escalation in the Middle East.

In a statement on Thursday, Biden said the sanctions targeted “leaders and entities connected to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, Iran’s Defense Ministry, and the Iranian government’s missile and drone program that enabled” the April 13 attack on Israel.

“As I discussed with my fellow G7 [Group of Seven] leaders the morning after the attack, we are committed to acting collectively to increase economic pressure on Iran,” the US president said.

“And our allies and partners have or will issue additional sanctions and measures to restrict Iran’s destabilizing military programs.”

Iran launched hundreds of missiles and drones at Israel in the early hours on Sunday, in retaliation for the deadly bombing of the Iranian consulate in Syria’s capital, Damascus, earlier this month.
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The attacks came amid months of escalating regional tensions linked to Israel’s months-long bombardment of the Gaza Strip. The war in Gaza has killed more than 33,900 Palestinians and plunged the coastal enclave into a humanitarian crisis.

The Biden administration — which has faced pressure to curb its support for Israel amid the conflict in Gaza — is now facing calls to restrain the Israeli government’s response to Iran’s attack.

Despite an international push for de-escalation, Israeli leaders, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, have pledged to respond.

“This is a moment — given the fact we’re looking into the abyss in terms of the region — that Biden has to be much clearer and much stronger in drawing a red line for Israel and Netanyahu not to bring the entire region into a war,” Trita Parsi of the Washington-based Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft told Al Jazeera after the Iranian attack.

The sanctions​

Thursday’s sanctions targeted 16 people and two entities linked to the production of Iranian unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV), or drones, including models that were used in the Iranian attack against Israel, according to the US Treasury.

Washington also sanctioned five companies that provide materials for steel production in Iran, as well as three subsidiaries of an Iranian automaker accused of offering assistance to Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).

Separately, the US State Department announced that Washington had imposed additional travel restrictions on Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, who is in New York to attend meetings at the United Nations.

The minister and his delegation can “move only within a two-bloc radius of the UN headquarter district; between the UN and the Iranian mission to the UN, and the residence of the Iranian permanent representative to the UN; and to John F Kennedy International Airport”, spokesman Vedant Patel told reporters.


But according to David Des Roches, a professor at the National Defense University in Washington, DC, the new US measures will have “minimal” effects.

“These are sort of de minimis actions that the government can take to show they’re doing things,” Des Roches told Al Jazeera. US sanctions against Iran, he added, are “being announced almost on a daily basis”.

“The fact that they’re being publicised a little bit more, I think, is the Biden administration trying to show people — and trying to show Israel’s leadership — that they are taking an active role.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/18/us-imposes-new-sanctions-on-iran-after-attack-on-israel