Media Jon Jones Caught EXTREMELY Intoxicated Trying to Heckle at a Stand-up Comedy Event

His level of competition was low. Almost got KO'd by Rumble etc. He should not be number 2. I feel like Jones haters pushed that narraitve because they were trying to prop up the fake rivalry. It was not a real rivalry. A real rivalry is competitive.
He finished Rumble twice and pushed him into retirement. His only career losses are to Jones and Stipe. Bizarre post.
 
He should claim Chris Jones as his 4th brother.
 
With an asterisk for steroid use.
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Any of the LHW big 4. Gus also has more LHW wins than DC. Pick any of them. I don't care. I'd prefer Machida or Shad but they all rank above DC IMO. When people choose DC as number 2 they are disrespecting that era as a whole thats the reason I get so mad about it.
I do feel like a lot of people dismiss the greatness of the 2009 era with Rashad, Machida, Rampage, Forrest and Shogun since Jones came in and steamrolled almost all of them with ease. DC would probably dominate all of them too via wrestlefuck, though.
 
He finished Rumble twice and pushed him into retirement. His only career losses are to Jones and Stipe. Bizarre post.

How many wins does he have in the weight class? Like 6?
 
Jones sounds like my drunk uncle on Christmas dinner.

Would also have loved to see Bill Hicks vs Jon Jones


 
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For all the stupid drunk shit he’s done, this is the most tamed one.
 
Good stuff man, I appreciate the healthy discussion and reading your well thought out perspective. A couple things.
Jon Jones "popping".
The fact is - Jon had the illegal substances in his body, at a very low value, but enough that it was illegal at the time.
“USADA has changed some of the rules regarding picograms and what’s allowed, and I’ve come to find out that all my findings are all under the new legal limit, meaning that I would’ve been cleared from every test that I’ve ever taken, and that means a lot to me,” Jones told reporters at Wednesday’s UFC 285 media day.
Jones previously failed multiple drug tests for androgen-related substances. The first came ahead of his rematch against Cormier, which was originally scheduled for UFC 200 in 2016. He tested positive for estrogen blockers clomiphene and letrozole."


So yeah, Jon had illegal PEDs in his body, illegal under old rules, legal under new rules.

One question I would like to ask USADA is why they changed the limits. Is it because so many supplements are tainted that everyone would pop? Is it because we naturally produce PEDs that could make a test pop?

There are two different lines with Jon's drug testing saga, I think you are mixing up here. There is the UFC 200 clomid and letro line and then there is the turinabol, M3 story line that is completely different.

Regarding the first clomid/letro story, yes he had those substances in his system, he never disputed that, but what all the haters here calling him a cheat don't want to hear or accept is that in the arbitration case there was no accusation or even suggestion that Jon took these in the context of steroid use, to manipulate his natural testosterone, or anything related to gaining an advantage in the sport. It was accepted based on the evidence provided that they were in his system because of grey market Cialis pill he took and was penalized for being at fault because he should have not taken a pill from a stranger from packaging labeled "Not for Human Use" of a prescription medication he did not have a prescription for. He was careless and horny, not a juiced up cheater.

The turinabol M3 one is a lot more complex and uncertain. The best info available on that is the Barrera vs MLB class action lawsuit challenging the validity of this testing. The core of the issue there is turinabol is an illegal drug specifically made for the purpose of being used in sports and evading drug testing. Since it has no legal production or medical purpose it is entirely unethical to put people on it to conduct human studies. Due to that there is no valid evidence with any level of scientific certainty to back the claims drug testing agencies are using to make these conclusions that result in extreme damage to athletes' careers and lives. The validity of that legal challenge and potential consequences from it are what I believe is forcing them to make these admissions and change their rules.

About Patrick Arnold:

I have found no evidence that he was paid by the U.S government. I am not saying he was not, but everything I have been able to find that had sources, tells the same story -

"In 1996 he befriended Dan Duchaine, who introduced Arnold to Stan Antosh, the owner of Osmo Therapy, a supplement company then based in San Francisco. Antosh persuaded Arnold to move his research to a small company in Seymour, Illinois, called Bar North America, which was owned by Ramlakhan Boodram. In Seymour, Arnold reviewed old patents looking for drugs that had never made it to market or were used only briefly. Later that year he introduced androstenedione to the North American market, which became successful after Mark McGwire was found using it. But, because their company didn't sell andro directly to consumers, but only as an ingredient to other supplement makers, Arnold missed out on a financial windfall.[7]

In 2001 Arnold's company introduced the prohormone 1-Androstenediol, under the marketing name 1-AD. Like andro, 1-AD is a prohormone that is easily converted by the body into 1-testosterone, and it sold well. But the boom was short-lived. In January '05 an amendment to the federal Controlled Substance Act banned prohormones. The company lost 60% of their sales, and became unprofitable.[7]"


He clearly has a lot of knowledge on PEDs, but he obviously is also a morally bankrupt human being, so whatever he says I will take with a grain of salt.

It is obvious though, as we talked about earlier, that the PED producers will always be ahead of the PED testers (it is the same in any system - like hacking in games where hack developers always will be ahead of the anti cheats.) This is simply because the PED makers act, then PED testers have to react and create new tests to try and beat the PED makers, who will then make another different PED and so on and so on. Which I believe is also why some see PED testing as questionable - but in areas like this it will always be a cat after mouse game.

I also can't say for certain either if it actually happened, but you definitely aren't going to find evidence of government funding for the production and administration of secret steroids specially created and used for evading drug testing in the Olympics and pro sports.

Patrick's involvement in the whole prohormone thing is interesting, but much more a bodybuilding consumer product "scam", prohormones gave you the side effects of using steroids without the benefits. The interesting stuff I was referring to is around his involvement in the BALCO scandal that was huge here when it got blown up.

BALCO was Patrick and Victor Conte's "urine and blood testing" laboratory company, but was actually the most advanced center for the purpose of enhancing the performance of the highest level athletes with drugs and methods that would be undetectable by Olympic drug testing standards. It was obviously done under the highest levels of secrecy. They had tons of data on these athletes since they were doing constant urine and blood test to ensure they were at optimal performance and testing clean, but they had zero personally identifying information on anything they ever did which has completely protected the athletes' identities. The athletes also had no information on what they were actually being given so they could also pass lie detector tests.

Yea, not the most honorable of legacies but extremely interesting stuff, at least to me.
 
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