Social Landmark Dutch study shows those pesky conservatives were right all along: Kids grow out of "gender confusion"

[scoopj]

@Sinister you’d be ok if your son told you he wanted to transition to female? Cut everything off? The whole nine yards?

I’d ask @blackheart too but the poor guy can’t afford to rub two nickels together let alone raise a child.

 

[RoastBeast]

I don't care to make this a left vs right thing but if the study is sound then it's good to see. I don't negate the possibility that there are people who are genuinely trans etc but something is really off with what's been happening. Hopefully more research is done and approaches for helping children are developed.

Mods please help, someone hacked Sweater's account.

 

[scoopj]

Mods please help, someone hacked Sweater's account.

My thoughts exactly! Finally he's backed into a corner and has a rational response. Poor guy.

 

[blackheart]

@Sinister you’d be ok if your son told you he wanted to transition to female? Cut everything off? The whole nine yards?

I’d ask @blackheart too but the poor guy can’t afford to rub two nickels together let alone raise a child.

You're so precious. Statistically, I'm doing better than the average American. Only difference between us is I'm honest with the state of my finances and don't feel the need to fraud about my life for e points.

Now, I want you to keep the following in mind-

When you clock in for your shift tomorrow and you're asking your 73rd customer of the day "would you like fries with that sir?" In that exact same moment, I will be sitting in my home office in my 3000 square foot house that sits on the side of a scenic mountain overlooking my city, probably with my dick out watching Hulu or another streaming service.

 

[scoopj]

You're so precious. Statistically, I'm doing better than the average American. Only difference between us is I'm honest with the state of my finances and don't feel the need to fraud about my life for e points.

Now, I want you to keep the following in mind-

When you clock in for your shift tomorrow and you're asking your 73rd customer of the day "would you like fries with that sir?" In that exact same moment, I will be sitting in my home office in my 3000 square foot house that sits on the side of a scenic mountain overlooking my city, probably with my dick out watching Hulu or another streaming service.

My basement is almost as big as your fictitious house little buddy. Weren't you the one who recently started the thread about houses in Salt Lake being 12x your measly income? Do I have you confused with another loser?

 

[Hog-train]

It is a contrarian study, there is consensus, you're just being a doubt merchant. There is no trans agenda. There is just medical and scientific consensus and physicians trying to do their best to provide medical treatment to their patients based on the best available evidence. You can keep lying, but I'll keep telling the truth.

There is no scientific consensus. All the countries that were at the forefront of giving gender affirming drugs to kids - Scandinavian countries, the UK, etc - they've all stopped.

 

[kflo]

There is no scientific consensus. All the countries that were at the forefront of giving gender affirming drugs to kids - Scandinavian countries, the UK, etc - they've all stopped.

They switched to giving gender related drugs if they agreed to be part of a clinical study.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

The full study link is here, and open source, so anyone can read it. The abstract summarizes all the most important points. Not only do the vast majority of young adolescents grow out of this, strongly indicating it is a phase, but it is also associated with poor mental health. This wasn't some small study. It followed thousands of individuals over a 20-year period:

Development of Gender Non-Contentedness During Adolescence and Early Adulthood - Archives of Sexual Behavior

Adolescence is an important period for the development of gender identity. We studied the development of gender non-contentedness, i.e., unhappiness with being the gender aligned with one’s sex, from early adolescence to young adulthood, and its association with self-concept, behavioral and...

link.springer.com

Gender dysphoria is a sign of mental and emotional instability, and should not be encouraged. It should definitely NOT be accommodated with actions that are potentially permanently harmful such as hormone treatments, or worst of all, invasive surgeries. Sometimes protecting minors means protecting them from their own impulses.

So does that mean if I saw my kid ride a pink bike one time that it may be a bad idea to chop off his peter?

 

[fedorthegoat777]

This movement ends in nothing less than an avalanche of court cases.

Doctors that do this on kids should have weird surgeries performed on them.

Take off toes, put on nose. Remove ear, attache to elbow, etc.

 

[scoopj]

@Sinister do as I say not as I do, right you phony ass mother fucker?

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

You're so precious. Statistically, I'm doing better than the average American. Only difference between us is I'm honest with the state of my finances and don't feel the need to fraud about my life for e points.

Now, I want you to keep the following in mind-

When you clock in for your shift tomorrow and you're asking your 73rd customer of the day "would you like fries with that sir?" In that exact same moment, I will be sitting in my home office in my 3000 square foot house that sits on the side of a scenic mountain overlooking my city, probably with my dick out watching Hulu or another streaming service.

You just said like yesterday you can't afford a house.

 

[Madmick]

Consensus is determined around the best available evidence at any given time. It's not determined around the imaginary goal post that you just made up. You are setting the goal post at a place that can't be falsified because you know the type of data you're asking for doesn't exist. We have only been providing the sort of gender-affirming care that we're talking about for about 20 years. But based on the best data and evidence that is available, physicians provide gender affirming treatment to people experiencing gender dysphoria because that has the best outcomes for patients.

Many women get boob jobs and then later regret it - we don't then decide to outlaw breast enhancement surgery
Many men get hair transplants and then later regret it - we don't then decide to outlaw hair transplants.

Why do you think normal/mainstream doctors in garden variety hospitals are providing gender affirming care Mick? How did we get to that place? They're doing it because there's a secret shadowy cabal of trans people pushing it on everyone? Or its a communist plot to destabilize the west? Or is it a common mainstream medical practice because the best available data shows its the right thing to do?

You like to play it straight like you're a serious rational calm conservative, when the reality is that you're just as emotionally motivated as any other rabid frothing MAGA freak. That's what this is about. It's about you being emotionally motivated to harm people that your lizard brain (the amygdala) has identified as the "out group". A group that elicits a disgust response from your amygdala. This isn't about a rational calm careful analysis of the evidence. It's about you being unable to restrain and regulate the primitive lizard part of your brain.

LOL, but you just insisted it did! You asserted there was a "consensus" formed by the "relevant academic fields". You did that today.

It's a good thing I'm making up my mind based on this one contrarian study and not the consensus that's developed over time among the relevant academic fields. Can you imagine if I had made my choice about what's right and wrong based on a holistic consensus and not this one contrarian study that just re-affirms my pre-existing biases?

Contrary to what you've asserted, the data I'm asking for does exist. I just gave it to you in the OP. It isn't imaginary. It's right there. I know you don't like what it says, but you'll eventually learn, grasshopper, that facts have little regard for your feelings.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Probably is confused with the difference between gender and personality

It seems a lot of people are.

 

[HereticBD]

@Sinister you’d be ok if your son told you he wanted to transition to female? Cut everything off? The whole nine yards?

I’d ask @blackheart too but the poor guy can’t afford to rub two nickels together let alone raise a child.

LOL @ these miserable leftists having children. That's mostly where this shit is coming from. Miserable leftists(most of them being sexually confused/frustrated incels) trying to rope 'em in when they're young. One of us! One of us!

Cult tactics 101.

 

[Natural Order]

LOL, but you just insisted it did! You asserted there was a "consensus" formed by the "relevant academic fields". You did that today.

Contrary to what you've asserted, the data I'm asking for does exist. I just gave it to you in the OP. It isn't imaginary. It's right there. I know you don't like what it says, but you'll eventually learn, grasshopper, that facts have little regard for your feelings.

 

[Siver!]

I don't think it's reasonable to label people like that.



I'd say 90+% of people are against gender reassignment for minors, long bow calling such a group Conservatives.

Gender reassignment for kids is a very, very dicey area, obviously, and that's why it's so rare for children to transition.

But the sheer noise and volume of the hair dryers that can't shut up about it conflate so many different issues.

Some seem to think any child that seeks gender care, even if temporary, are having their dicks cut off and their vaginas turned into foreskin.

When the conversation is so toxic that this then extends to adults who, by rights, can do whatever modification they want to their bodies, and they're seen as groomers and pedophiles, you know you're talking to a conservative.

And that's the real difference.

Should kids transition? Fuck no, but then there are more complex conversations than anyone in the Sherdog War Room could deal with without having their heads explode.

The trans movement has been attacked by sheer brute force fury from people who don't remotely understand what it is, what it's about, or what the figures actually are in terms of 'dicks getting cut off'. They don't want to know, either, they just want to indulge in the furious outrage of their mythical fantasy world and 'blame the libs' for whatever they made up.

 

[terrapin]

You just said like yesterday you can't afford a house.

I don't think you said he couldn't afford a house. He just said that houses in salt lake City where he lives are massively overpriced for most people. And he did that in a thread where other people on the left were lying and pretending salt lake City is a good place to buy a home.

I got cousins and family in salt lake City and you can make $85,000 or 90,000 a year there and not be able to buy a house. That doesn't sound so bad if you're from California or New York City or maybe Washington. But it's terrible there. The average salary is less than $50,000 and you used to be able to buy a home on that only a few years ago so he was making a very valid point that salt lake City is absolutely crazy for house prices.

Many lying people on the left here have posted threads saying salt lake City is one of those big cities where you can buy a home still.

 

[Striderxdj]

People on the left on this site waste most of their lives posting instead of living

Dude, you're a march 20' account with almost 20k posts. I've been here nearly a decade longer than you and have 1/3 as many posts... I wouldn't be slinging that rock in your glass house even Andy Capp has nearly 1/2 as many posts per day as you do

 

[Siver!]

Realistic scenario not drawn from cherry-picked weirdos on social media involves a kid choosing clothes and extracurricular activities that suit how they feel. Conversations later down the line may or may not involve the mention of feeling like something else, and a good parent should listen. If that means telling their kid they can speak to a specialist in order to buy time and see how things progress, that is not cult-like behaviour.

Cult-like behaviour is shutting all talk down out of fear and forcing people to do whatever you think they should be doing because you know best.

I cannot imagine many conservatives that post in here being reasonable parents at all when it comes to this particular subject. I think it's honestly way beyond their emotional capacity and individual capability. I think from the way many talk in such hysterical terms, they'd hate their own children. That makes them the worst of the worst parents.

 

[terrapin]

Dude, you're a march 20' account with almost 20k posts. I've been here nearly a decade longer than you and have 1/3 as many posts... I wouldn't be slinging that rock in your glass house even Andy Capp has nearly 1/2 as many posts per day as you do

I'm on the left too man... The point is that everyone has time to discuss this issue unless they have ulterior reasons for not wanting to.