Nice detailed example of why Jones can never be the GOAT

[Laza cds mma]

Neither Jones nor GSP is GOAT. Khabib is the one true GOAT.

Not enought title defenses, not a two weight world champion , but Khabib is definitely above Jones in the discussion because of lack of cheating in his system

 

[loisestrad]

I've never seen a fighter dominate like Khabib.

And hes undefeated.

Jones has arguably lost before, and a DQ loss is a legit loss IMO.

His dumb ass didnt understand the rules of the sport, just like his dumb ass doesnt understand the laws of society.

Khabib has arguably lost before, vs Tibau. So that doesn't count.

Khabib has missed weight a couple of times, so he's out.

 

[Laza cds mma]

Khabib has arguably lost before, vs Tibau. So that doesn't count.

Khabib has missed weight a couple of times, so he's out.

Missing weight does not count as a loss , personal opinion doesn't matter , a win is a win , a two weight champion is a two weight champion and a cheater is a cheater.

 

[green giant]

It's funny how they always mention the ped's even though GSP wasn't around when USADA rolled through and was always super suspect. If we go by most defenses and not popping for roids then DJ is the GOAT, he's not white enough though so GSP has to be the GOAT.

GSP was calling for MORE strict testing then USADA does. Its part of the reason he retired because the tests were not strict enough genius.

 

[kuroro]

Jones has arguably lost before, and a DQ loss is a legit loss IMO.

why? there might be some dqs that should be considered true losses, like if a guy is losing the whole match and cheats and gets dq'd, then i could see that being construed as an actual loss. losing a match you were dominating because the ref, out of nowhere, decided to enforce the most obscure--virtually unknown at the time--superfluous, meaningless rule can't be considered anything like a loss in any meaningful sense.

 

[Masturbin]

Why would poping one/two time discredit your entire legacy?

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

GSP was calling for MORE strict testing then USADA does. Its part of the reason he retired because the tests were not strict enough genius.

Lmao. Just like how Roid head Mayweather wanted stricter testing for the Pacquiao fight then went on to use a banned IV and how Costa and Romero were calling each other roid heads. GSP never had a problem fighting roid heads and dipped out when the testing got stricter.

 

[Masturbin]

Lmao

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

why? there might be some dqs that should be considered true losses, like if a guy is losing the whole match and cheats and gets dq'd, then i could see that being construed as an actual loss. losing a match you were dominating because the ref, out of nowhere, decided to enforce the most obscure--virtually unknown at the time--superfluous, meaningless rule can't be considered anything like a loss in any meaningful sense.

How dare you try and take a way from the win that Matt Hamill worked so hard for. He sacrificed everything for it.

 

[kuroro]

How dare you try and take a way from the win that Matt Hamill worked so hard for. He sacrificed everything for it.

most inspiring victory ever until diego beat pereira.

 

[DarthChen731]

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[loisestrad]

Missing weight does not count as a loss , personal opinion doesn't matter , a win is a win , a two weight champion is a two weight champion and a cheater is a cheater.

Missing weight count as a proof that you're trying to make yourself stronger/bigger than you really are compared to the opponents. That equals cheating by using PED's.

Personal opinion/subjective takes is a huge part of determining a GOAT.

 

[kflo]

the low t/e was addressed immediately by the commission and wada lab scientist. he had CIR testing done.

https:/sports.yahoo.com/news/nevada-commission--jon-jones-tests-results-show-no-signs-of-doping-013131428.html
https:/bleacherreport.com/articles/2323898-nsac-director-bennett-cit-testing-done-on-jones-sample-all-came-back-clean
Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of the WADA-accredited laboratory in Montreal, saw no problem with Jones' T/E ratio.

One way to manipulate a T/E ratio downward would be to take epitestosterone, but Ayotte said that would be easily detected in a screening.

"I read the interviews of 'specialists' on that topic [in MMA media accounts], and, well, I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal," she said. " … The administration of epitestosterone is easily detected. It does not give a small increase that looks natural, but a huge peak that is very difficult to control. I have seen only one case of attempted masking with epitestosterone and it was readily detected.

"Epitestosterone is not metabolized rapidly and stays high. An epitestosterone urine sample does not look like the ones you sent me."​

 

[kflo]

GSP was calling for MORE strict testing then USADA does. Its part of the reason he retired because the tests were not strict enough genius.

does anyone do stricter testing?

 

[kflo]

Along with 3 contentious decisions with gus 1, reyes and santos, the sonnen and smith fights could have legitimately been taken off him too, and then we'd have gotten to hear that he only had 6 freakish losses

sonnen and smith?? c'mon....

 

[bigconan]

Jon has one loss, and a few fights where he was on the winning end of questionable decisions. In the first Gus fight even though I thought he eeked out the victory, he took a beating. Khabib never lost and never had a scratch on him in all his fights. He barely lost a round. Jones is an all-time great but Khabib is the GOAT.

Khabib barely lost a round? most mma websites had khabib losing to Tibau. though that was very early in his ufc career. if they fought now, it wouldn't even be close...

 

[jimmy dakine]

All of what you put PLUS...there is no such thing as a GOAT so its really hard to be something that doesnt exist

 

[Hitman]

He is the absolute LHW GOAT ! No question ! But now, for be the REAL GOAT ! You have to challenge the weightclass above !!! Reality is coming now !!!

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Khabib barely lost a round? most mma websites had khabib losing to Tibau. though that was very early in his ufc career. if they fought now, it wouldn't even be close...

DId you watch that fight? The rounds were all close with neither fighter able to do too much. Khabib was the aggressor the whole fight. Khabib never clearly lost a round, never sustained damage, never bled, never had even a scratch that I saw from all his fights.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

All of what you put PLUS...there is no such thing as a GOAT so its really hard to be something that doesnt exist

Doesn't exist?