One thing the Khamzat/Holland fight showed us…

[PlasticFishBowl]

Is that these “top wrestlers” at 185 like Brunson and Vettori really aren’t that good.

I think we had suspected this since they struggled so heavily with Izzy, but it was still a bit jarring to see how Holland survived 25 minutes with both of them while he barely survived 2 minutes with Khamzat (and about half of that time was spent getting darce’d).

Looks to me, from this fight, like Khamzat would probably absolutely rag doll and sub the 185 wrestlers within a round or 2, if he is even close to them in weight. He seems a full 2 levels above them in skill and athleticism.

 

[Substance Abuse]

"EVERYONE SUCKS."

- Sincerely, Suredawg.

 

[Herwald]

I'd love to see those match ups.

 

[SpedDaddyV]

Khazmat couldn't rag doll former lightweight Gilbert Burns

but he will ragdoll Whittaker?

 

[rivera]

To be fair, Holland also took the fight with less than a 24 hr notice. But yeah.. not a good look for that division.

i want to see Khamzat move up now tbh. Holland can be dangerous and he was absolutely demolished.

 

[OldBoy91]

To be fair. Pretty sure Vettori and Brunson could do that to Holland on 24 hours notice when he'd been training for a striker.

 

[PlasticFishBowl]

To be fair. Pretty sure Vettori and Brunson could do that to Holland on 24 hours notice when he'd been training for a striker.

Vettori fought him on super short notice too.

 

[Substance Abuse]

Vettori fought him on super short notice too.

And Marvin took him down eleven times. He's never been known as a submission guy. It isn't hard to get Kevin to the ground. Holland has been taken down 24 times in his last six fights.

 

[13Seconds]

Dude, your threads are so bad

 

[Rank Squatter]

What about the whole

" I kill everyone"

 

[dcthegod]

Maybe true, but by the same token, none of these guys are running into a fight like an axe murder and putting that type of energy into immediately trying to finish the fight. He took a risk going balls to the wall like that, no one is going to fight like him.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Terrible mmamathematics

 

[HaulParris]

"EVERYONE SUCKS."

- Sincerely, Suredawg.

That's the abridged version. The fuller version is that everyone they fought were cans, their first loss means they were exposed, if they lose more than once then they're past theor prime and were on PEDs when they were winning.

 

[Candy Routure]

One important thing of note..
If Khamzat didn’t lock up that d’arce, he was putting himself in a very risky position.. That position was gassing hard!!

High risk = high reward..

Risk can backfire!

 

[Trabaho]

Well Khamzat was closer to a MW then a ww. I think Withtaker is a bad match up for Khamzat. Khamzat looks phenomenal in short fights. He looked great but beatable VS Burns. But that's a top 3 guy anyways.

Lean back and enjoy the show. We shall see. Khamzat is definitely a top dog thus far. But let's see him vs the top 5 at MW. He's too big for ww.

 

[Gamboal]

Maybe true, but by the same token, none of these guys are running into a fight like an axe murder and putting that type of energy into immediately trying to finish the fight. He took a risk going balls to the wall like that, no one is going to fight like him.

True, DC's comment 'Khamzat's breathing heavily' was pretty stupid, anyone would after storming out the gate like that and putting that much energy into pulling a completely fresh 6'3 guy to the ground 2-3 times at that point.

 

[Redando]

Khamzat is overrated. He spends a lot of energy to go for broke.
Khamzat went for broke. He got it by a dumb mistake of Kevin Holland.

Khamzat wanted to finish. Vettori wanted to control.
Khamzat has no top control.
He simply uses strength when someone tries to get up. That’s why he spends so much energy.
He is not Khabib or Islam in grappling.

 

[ilfirin]

Chimaev is a very elite grappler. I've been saying this for quite some time. People are starting to catch up. It's not that those others are bad wrestlers, but there are levels to this game, and Chimaev is at a completely different level compared to them.

 

[ilfirin]

Khamzat has no top control.
He simply uses strength when someone tries to get up. That’s why he spends so much energy.

The fuck are you talking about? He flows like the best of them.

 

[SkinnyClaw]

Nah, Khamzat is just the only one who goes balls to the wall from the opening bell. Kevin was actually scrambling very well, Khamzat didn't have control until he found the vice grip and locked in the darce, even then he had to work for it. You really think he can do that same shit to Brunson, or Vettori, or Whittaker? LOL

If he did that to Colby for example, he might throw him around for a couple of minutes and look dominant, but what happens in rounds 2,3,4 and 5 if he doesn't get the finish? He would get tortured