Quebec's French-language watchdog agency will no longer bans "grilled cheese" and "cocktails"

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  1. nefti

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    it is a germanic language, people confuse that with being close to german.
     
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    I think it's the other way around.

    The English deported like one third of New France's population, mostly in Acadia, in the 1750's. These people ended up in the Louisiana region.

    Never heard of Creoles moving to Québec after the Louisiana purchase, which occured more than 40 years after France gave up Québec.
     
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    There are quite a few words that are very similar.

    But most of the syntax in English comes from French.
     
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    How did you find learning German as a 3rd language?
     
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    Yes. German is basically the mother language of Germanic languages. From what I understand, it's easier for a Dutch speaker to understand German than vice versa. Similar to how it's easier for Portuguese speakers to understand Spanish than vice versa.
     
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    I thought that English was of tremendous help for the vocabulary.

    The syntax is really weird at first, but you get used to it.

    All in all I found German easy to learn but that is also because I put myself in a situation where I had no choice but to learn it.
     
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    Endanger? Saying "hot dog" instead of "chien chaud" is not endangering anything; just like saying "information" instead of something based off of "Auskunft" hasn't endangered English. Languages change and that change comes from below, regardless of what the old dorks in language academies think.

    Bilingualism is inherently unstable to begin with. If anything is going to kill Quebec French, it's not going to be loanwords, it's going to be replacement altogethe It's going to be people choosing to speak English over French, for various reasons. Show me an example of a language that imported so many loans that it died. Good luck finding one. English certainly didn't die despite being heavily frenchified. Bon chance, or whatever.
     
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    This post is a huge pile of steaming shit.

    You don't need to look further than Western Europe to find languages that have died or are dying.

    Look at all the Celtic languages in the Great Britain / Ireland / Bretagne. Less than 1 % of the people under 30 speak these languages as native speakers. Gaelic languages are dead, or almost dead.

    Look at Basque in Southern France : dying.

    Occitan in Southern France : dead or almost.

    Corsican : dying pretty fast.

    The reason these languages died is because the people speaking those languages didn't have the means to protect their languages, including loanwords, btw.

    Oh and yes, absolutely, old English died due to the French influence.

    You sound like the typical unilingual person from an unchallenged population who can't understand how people would want to protect their language.
     
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    i didnt know the french side of canada was more sissy than the british side but i should have known better.
     
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    Why because we protect our language and culture ?
     
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    Where does Magyar fit into this convo? According to a French historian from the 15th century (forgot his name), Hungarian was supposed to be extinct by the 17th century. It's a standalone language full of loan words with a small population of speakers surrounded by Slavic and Germanic speakers. Yet it's actually recovering well from the blow it took from the Treaty of Trianon a century ago.

    Interesting convo.
     
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    I don't think Magyar is in a comparable situation in any way. Hungary is surrounded by German, Slavic and latin speakers, so it is not being flooded by one single language and culture, and none of these surrounding cultures is as potent as the American one.
     
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    Quebec is the closet thing to a socialist hell hole you can find in free world.

    For them it’s all about the government being involved in everything n having different useless government agencies with their overpaid employees running around racketeering
     
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    True enough. But the cultural and language exchange is very much one way only, and that is inwards. Especially with the english language, as it's become the defacto 2nd language due to the employment opportunities it affords within the EU.
     
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    What they are striving for ain't much different to all the Anglos in Britain concerned about the erosion of British culture. Or Anglo Americans unhappy about Spanish encroachment.
     
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    Interesting thread. I used to be pretty critical of the protectionism in Quebec, even though I grew up in French immersion, but my position has softened as I get older. I can now understand the desire to protect that which is unique to this part of the world.

    Do you feel a sense of responsibility, like being a custodian of language and culture for the next generation? And how do you feel about "fin de semaine" instead of "le weekend"?
     
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    How about you compare apples with apples?

    You’re comparing French that’s spoken by at least 300 million ppl (maybe more) in 30 different countries to some european regional languages that were spoken by few anyways.

    Also let’s not forget that in most those cases native speakers of those languages were imposed the dominant language.

    If French in Canada didn’t lose their language from the time they lost Canada to today, there’s no reason to believe they’ll lose it now.

    Also it’s natural that the language evolves overtime

    French from 500 years ago or even 200 years ago is not the same as today.

    Same with English, German, Arabic....
     
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    Yes in a way it is my duty to do what I can to pass along the culture and language to future generations.

    And while I feel like some of Québec's words such as chien chaud are pathetic, I just don't feel the need to say week end. French is rich enough.
     
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    Well that wouldn't be evolution, it would be a loss of identity.

    Of course if you don't care about it you can just say "live and let live ", but it would mean that our culture would cease to exist. One of the reasons French is alive and well in Qc is precisely because we protect it.

    But you obviously don't care about French in Québec so this conversation is pointless.

    Just look at how many stupid posts are ITT.

    Preserving French is something that English speakers are allergic to.
     
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    So from 1763 (when France gave up on New France n French were at the mercy of English) up until now French were able to preserve their language, but were suppose to believe that French language is in danger now?

    Did they have language laws back then that I’m not aware of?

    Also languages change overtime anyways. Like I said before the French ppl speak today is not the same as the one ppl spoke 200 years ago. Same with English or any other language. They naturally evolve with time.

    Also it’s funny you mention “loss of identity”

    You could argue that big part of Quebec (which ironically isn’t French) French indentity was the result of Catholic Church. Where is the Catholic Church now in Quebec in 2017?
     
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