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Since people are once again arguing about irrelevant details that have been excluded in the case, here they are again so you'd know it's irrelevant:

6 details the Kyle Rittenhouse jury didn't consider when it deliberated the teenager's fate
Michelle Mark | Nov 19, 2021, 3:50 PM

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A Wisconsin jury spent two weeks listening to dozens of witnesses and poring over countless pieces of visual evidence during Kyle Rittenhouse's homicide trial. But a number of details that have drawn attention — and sometimes outrage — on social media or in the news over the past year never made it into the courtroom.

Rittenhouse, now 18, was found not guilty on Friday of fatally shooting Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber, as well as injuring Gaige Grosskreutz, amid civil unrest in Kenosha in August 2020. Rittenhouse pleaded not guilty to all the charges against him, and testified that he shot the men in self-defense after they attacked him.

Jurors in the Rittenhouse trial deliberated for over three days before acquitting him of all five felony charges he faced. Had they convicted him, Rittenhouse could have received a life sentence.

Judges in criminal trials tightly control what juries do and don't hear, barring any information they deem irrelevant, unfair, confusing, misleading, or hearsay. To help boost their cases, prosecutors and defense attorneys often spend a great deal of time and effort arguing why certain details should be included or excluded at trial.

Here are six pieces of information about Rittenhouse and the Kenosha shootings that made headlines, but were not deemed appropriate for the jury to consider once they deliberated Rittenhouse's fate following closing arguments Monday.

Unflattering videos of Rittenhouse
Prosecutors wanted to present two videos taken of Rittenhouse in the weeks leading up to the shooting, arguing that they provided "crucial insight" into the teenager's state of mind in summer 2020. Kenosha County Circuit Judge Bruce Schroeder disagreed in both instances.

One of the videos, which circulated widely on social media, showed Rittenhouse punching a girl from behind. Another video, filmed across the street from a CVS Pharmacy, showed hooded people rushing out of the store clutching items. Rittenhouse's voice could be heard saying, "Bro, I wish I had my fucking AR. I'd start shooting rounds at them."

Prosecutors argued at the time that the CVS video showed Rittenhouse "fervently sought to insert himself as an armed vigilante into situations that had nothing to do with him." But Schroeder said Rittenhouse's actions in the videos couldn't reasonably be compared to the situation he faced in Kenosha on August 25, 2020.

The criminal records of Rosenbaum, Huber, and Grosskreutz
All three men shot by Rittenhouse had criminal records, though the jury remained unaware of most of them throughout the trial.

In September, Schroeder denied a motion from Rittenhouse's defense attorneys to bring up Rosenbaum's criminal history at trial. The defense had wanted to argue that Rosenbaum was trying to steal Rittenhouse's gun, since Rosenbaum's status as a felon prevented him from buying one legally. (Rittenhouse, who was 17 at the time of the shootings and had a friend purchase an AR-15 for him, had been charged with one count of possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18; Schroeder dismissed that charge on Monday.)

Rosenbaum spent roughly 15 years in prison in his early adulthood, according to Arizona prison records. Court documents showed that Rosenbaum was accused of sexually abusing five pre-teen boys in 2002, was indicted on 11 counts of child molestation, and eventually pleaded guilty to two amended counts of sexual conduct with a minor.

Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger argued that some of Rittenhouse's supporters online had appeared thankful that Rittenhouse fatally shot a convicted sex offender.

"We don't want the jury to decide this was justified because he got a pedophile off the streets," Binger said.

Huber pleaded guilty in 2013 to two felony counts of strangulation and suffocation, and false imprisonment, court records showed. According to a criminal complaint, Rittenhouse's defense attorneys cited without the jury present, Huber had pulled a knife on his brother and grandmother, and choked his brother amid an argument about housecleaning. Kenosha County jail records show that Huber spent a little over four months behind bars and was released on probation.

Grosskreutz confirmed on the witness stand that he had previously been convicted of a crime, but did not tell the jury what it was. Wisconsin court records show he pleaded guilty in 2016 to one misdemeanor count of being armed while intoxicated.

Photos showing Rittenhouse at a pub with Proud Boys members
Prosecutors also wanted to show photos of Rittenhouse posing with members of the Proud Boys in a Wisconsin pub shortly after he had been released on bond. In the photos, Rittenhouse could be seen wearing a shirt that said "Free as Fuck" and flashing an "OK" hand gesture, which prosecutors noted was commonly used to signify "white power."

Defense attorneys responded that Rittenhouse hadn't known the men, or known what the OK hand signal meant. They also noted that prosecutors had scoured Rittenhouse's entire social media history and cellphone records, but found no evidence of links to extremist or white supremacist groups.

Schroeder sided with the defense, and said Rittenhouse's interactions with the men at the pub had nothing to do with his actions on the night of the Kenosha shootings.

Details about Huber's personality and history
Though Grosskreutz was able to tell the jury he ran after Rittenhouse that night because he believed the teenager was an active shooter, Huber's exact motivations for chasing the teenager and hitting him with a skateboard remain unknown.

Prosecutors sought to answer that question by calling Huber's great aunt, Susan Hughes, to the witness stand to tell the jury about occasions where Huber had acted heroically. But Rittenhouse's attorneys objected when Hughes said she'd seen her grand-nephew run towards danger.

The defense said if prosecutors portrayed Huber as "peaceful," then they would introduce evidence of his previous criminal conduct. At one point, Rittenhouse's attorney, Corey Chirafisi, read from a criminal complaint alleging that Huber had once held a six-inch butcher knife to his brother's throat, ear, and stomach.

"Mr. Huber told his brother that if he didn't start cleaning a room in the house, he was going to gut him like a pig," Chirafisi said, reading from the complaint. "Mr. Huber told his brother that if he stopped cleaning, he would kill him."

Though Schroeder didn't ban Hughes' testimony about Huber's supposed heroics, he said defense attorneys would be able to bring up Huber's criminal history if prosecutors pursued their line of questioning. Prosecutors opted to cut Hughes' testimony short instead.

Rosenbaum's psychiatric care in the days before the shooting
The jury heard only select details about Rosenbaum's mental state before the shootings. Rosenbaum had been released from the hospital just hours before the Kenosha shootings, where he had been under psychiatric care following a suicide attempt.

Rittenhouse's attorneys sought to portray Rosenbaum as unstable and violent in the hours and minutes leading up to the shootings. A number of witnesses — both for the prosecution and the defense — testified that they had seen Rosenbaum acting "belligerently" or "erratically." At various points, the witnesses said, Rosenbaum verbally threatened Rittenhouse and others, confronted people, set fires, shouted the N-word, and wielded a chain.

Though the defense was permitted to question Rosenbaum's fiancée, Kariann Swart, about the medications he had been taking for bipolar disorder, Schroeder did not allow them to ask Swart in front of the jury about why Rosenbaum had been hospitalized in the first place.

Expert testimony about whether Rittenhouse reasonably feared for his life
Rittenhouse's defense attorneys called upon a use-of-force expert to testify about his analysis of the shootings. Though John Black showed the jury slowed-down videos of each incident and emphasized how quickly the chaos escalated that night, he was unable to testify about his opinions regarding the threats he believed Rittenhouse may have faced.

Prosecutors and Rittenhouse's attorney struck a deal where Black would limit his testimony mainly to the timeline of the events, rather than the reasonableness of Rittenhouse's actions. For their part, prosecutors agreed not to call a different use-of-force expert to support their arguments.

At a pre-trial hearing, Black had offered a moment-by-moment breakdown of Rittenhouse's, Rosenbaum's, Huber's, and Grosskreutz's actions. He described why he believed Rittenhouse had reason to fear that the men could either assault him or take his gun and use it against him.

"A citizen in that position, given those indicators — would it be reasonable to believe they were about to be assaulted? I would argue yes," Black said, referring to Rittenhouse's reaction to Grosskreutz, who approached the teenager while wielding a handgun. "That is one of many reasonable perceptions in that situation."

https://www.insider.com/details-the...ont-consider-during-deliberations-2021-11?amp
 
Find another hill to die on. Rittenhouse should receive an award for wasting this loser piece of shit child rapist.
You're on the wrong side and you know it.
There is no side, and don't try to insinuate I'm some child molester supporter.
 
It wasn't because he has no history of violence. You understand that right? If he did, that most certainly would have been a key part of the prosecutions case. Any time a crime is committed, both the prosecution and defense will be scrutinizing the character and criminal history of the defendant, the accused, and any key witnesses.

That's literally standard procedure in any criminal case, and for obvious reasons. Most of the time you're going to have to listen to multiple people's accounts of the events in question. When they're facing possi oe criminal or civil liability, many people lie. Part of backing up the veracity of someone's statements will be looking into their last and general moral character. If you have a history of lying, or are being accused of a crime and have a history of criminal activity, thats absolutely relevant and will be investigated.


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You sure about that? I thought there was a video of him sucker punching a peer of his...who happened to be a female btw.
 
There is no side, and don't try to insinuate I'm some child molester supporter.
I'm not necessarily saying you are. I'm saying your argument doesn't make a lot of sense. None of this peripheral shit matters. Rittenhouse defended himself from degenerates, degenerates died. We should all be celebrating. This is how its supposed to go.
 
I really don’t think these kinds of things help Kyle really. It makes it look like we’re celebrating that he got away with something. He did what he had to when his life was threatened nothing more .

Yeah, I freely admit that is a 100% troll on the opposition.
 
I'm not necessarily saying you are. I'm saying your argument doesn't make a lot of sense. None of this peripheral shit matters. Rittenhouse defended himself from degenerates, degenerates died. We should all be celebrating. This is how its supposed to go.
You fuckin pussy. Lol.

On topic, I don't disagree with the verdict at all.
 
You sure about that? I thought there was a video of him sucker punching a peer of his...who happened to be a female btw.
Never heard of this. Anyway @Arkain2K just posted a link of various factors that were thrown out. In any case both prosecution and defense will try to introduce evidence about the character of all parties involved. Standard practice. The judge decides what information the jury will have access to.
 
I'm not necessarily saying you are. I'm saying your argument doesn't make a lot of sense. None of this peripheral shit matters. Rittenhouse defended himself from degenerates, degenerates died. We should all be celebrating. This is how its supposed to go.
He’s gonna on one hand dismiss the argument Rosenbaum was a pedo and say but Kyle hit a girl who was fighting his sister btw . He’s outraged and I can guarantee if Kyle had been found guilty of something would be cheering with the rest of the mob. Instead he’s left with but but shouldn’t be there…
 
That can't be right. If it were that would make this black on black crime. The left gives a fuck about this shooting. It's not black on black crime.
True. No news network, other than maybe Fox, would have covered this trial if this was a Black on Black shooting (if there even were a trial in the first place). I mean, look at Chicago. Black on Black shootings are so common, it's not even newsworthy.
 
Do you have a link to that screenshot?...I'm seeing a Rittenhouse article on the Independent, curiously missing is your "black men" point. That's not in the article as far as I can tell.

If that's a doctored screenshot, you need to knock that shit off. It becomes YOUR LIE when you post this fake stuff.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-verdict-not-guilty-b1961066.html?amp

Of course they corrected it, because it was fkd up and too many people have complained.

You can find the disinformation in the archive.

https://archive.md/YZlWl
 
He’s gonna on one hand dismiss the argument Rosenbaum was a pedo and say but Kyle hit a girl who was fighting his sister btw . He’s outraged and I can guarantee if Kyle had been found guilty of something would be cheering with the rest of the mob. Instead he’s left with but but shouldn’t be there…
I'm saying neither are relevant.
 
Hold the fuck up, there's a major difference between doing an OK sign and this shit right here.
People don't group up and all do OK signs like they have muscular dystrophy. Y'all know damn well those are white power signs. Fuck this creepy little piece of shit. Foolishly wanting to be Rambo is one thing, but this is something else. Kid is just a Boogaloo Boy without enough of a spine to own up to it when he isn't surrounded by other double digit IQ goons.


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A bunch of goofballs making a hand gesture is foolish, but I'm sure you are even more outraged at the criminals involved in the riots who were smashing windows of businesses, stealing, lighting things on fire and assaulting people. Certainly, a silly hand gesture doesn't draw your ire more than people deliberately involved in violence and destruction.

You must also be more angry at the media and the individuals who constantly lied and manipulated the public about the Rittenhouse case with an agenda to falsely smear Rittenhouse and create further division among the people.
 
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No he doesn't make your point. Your point was it's irrelevant as some sort of blanket statement. Character and criminal history always come up during a criminal trial. That doesn't mean every single element that lawyers try to introduce will be accepted. Pretty obviously.

But both prosecution and defense will try to get every single element introduced that they think might help their case. And sometimes what's included or excluded can be pretty arbitrary. And sometimes lawyers are able to get things excluded that are pretty relevant because that information would hurt their case.

This isn't a court, this is public discourse. So we don't have any obligation to exclude anything about anyone's character. It's all fair game to be mentioned or considered.
 
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