International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

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It isn’t just Russian sources saying lots of casualties. British military intel and western media also reporting this. CBS, AP, WSJ, take your pick.
. Both sides suffer heavy casualties as Ukraine strikes back against Russia, UK assessment says | AP News
Even the main Ukraine news source is like “well at least Russia is not advancing!”. This has been a complete disaster and they have literally been hyping this for like 6-8 months. Was supposed to be a winter offensive, then spring, now summer and it failing.

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Ukraine has to show progress or western help is likely to slowly dry up. Western countries, the US in particular, want to know that the billions spent on Ukraine so far has been for something.

.Ukraine's at Risk of a Devastating Setback (msn.com)
"Should the counteroffensive be unsuccessful, the U.S. and Europeans would continue to provide arms, but might be more open to peace initiatives that would freeze in place the two lines," Reardon said.

George Mason University Schar School of Policy and Government professor Mark N. Katz told Newsweek that a failed counteroffensive would likely result in some voices in the West wanting to pull back support to Ukraine.

"They will argue that it is time for Ukraine to adjust to painful reality and agree to a ceasefire with Russia that leaves Moscow in possession of much or even all the territory that it now occupies," Katz said. "Putin is hoping for this to occur."

"By contrast, a successful Ukrainian offensive now—however that is defined—will not only make it easier for Ukraine's congressional supporters [in the United States] to keep on providing military assistance to Ukraine, but also more difficult for its opponents to make a convincing case about why this should not continue," Katz said.

As for the consequences on the battlefield, David Silbey—an associate professor of history at Cornell and director of teaching and learning at Cornell in Washington—told Newsweek that a failed counteroffensive "would most likely reestablish the status quo stalemate."

"Both the U.S. and Ukraine have been talking up the counteroffensive for months now, with tidbits about combined arms training and new weapons," he said. "If the offensive failed, it would be a blow to the political prestige of both countries."
 
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@cottagecheesefan wrote:
It isn’t just Russian sources saying lots of casualties. British military intel and western media also reporting this. CBS, AP, WSJ, take your pick.
. Both sides suffer heavy casualties as Ukraine strikes back against Russia, UK assessment says | AP News
Even the main Ukraine news source is like “well at least Russia is not advancing!”. This has been a complete disaster and they have literally been hyping this for like 6-8 months. Was supposed to be a winter offensive, then spring, now summer and it failing.
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Ukraine has to show progress or western help is likely to slowly dry up. Western countries, the US in particular, want to know that the billions spent on Ukraine so far has been for something.

.Ukraine's at Risk of a Devastating Setback (msn.com)
"Should the counteroffensive be unsuccessful, the U.S. and Europeans would continue to provide arms, but might be more open to peace initiatives that would freeze in place the two lines," Reardon said.

George Mason University Schar School of Policy and Government professor Mark N. Katz told Newsweek that a failed counteroffensive would likely result in some voices in the West wanting to pull back support to Ukraine.

"They will argue that it is time for Ukraine to adjust to painful reality and agree to a ceasefire with Russia that leaves Moscow in possession of much or even all the territory that it now occupies," Katz said. "Putin is hoping for this to occur."

"By contrast, a successful Ukrainian offensive now—however that is defined—will not only make it easier for Ukraine's congressional supporters [in the United States] to keep on providing military assistance to Ukraine, but also more difficult for its opponents to make a convincing case about why this should not continue," Katz said.

As for the consequences on the battlefield, David Silbey—an associate professor of history at Cornell and director of teaching and learning at Cornell in Washington—told Newsweek that a failed counteroffensive "would most likely reestablish the status quo stalemate."

"Both the U.S. and Ukraine have been talking up the counteroffensive for months now, with tidbits about combined arms training and new weapons," he said. "If the offensive failed, it would be a blow to the political prestige of both countries."

you think it any surprise Putin is reiterating the initial agreement from a year ago, the same day Blinken is going to shake Xi’s hand like a little kid?

Lol, this is even nbc running with the angle



come to me little boy. Hell, where is Biden? Is he at Delaware now? He att he whitehouse with trans activists? What a disaster if a presidency lmao

 
these are your adults in the room. just to be clear.

FzA1JI-akAIfhaq



I mean, can Joe even make a flight over there any then be functional? No worries, we got touch of gray Blinken representing america and all our values.

oh my god. Fuck everyone who cry “but trump” and their tds <45><45>


Isn’t China literally backing and supplying Putin and yet this is our admin??? What the fuckery
 
I swear to that within the next week, NPR is going to come out with a headline - “why 200k Ukrainians is great for democracy and the FACTS you NEWD to know”.

I mean, is not china directly funding this? Yet Blinken sucks xis cock?
 
Hell, where is Biden? Is he in Delaware now? He is at the white house with trans activists? What a disaster of a presidency lmao
He is concerned about the Queen of England. She is dead. 16 June 2023 speech.
 
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He is concerned about the Queen of England. 16 June 2023.


I mean everyone is just circ jerking today about how Blinken is maintaining the status quo with China and Taiwan.

oh, like the status quo of China pushing to devalue the dollar and at the same time find Russia? Wow great job
 
you think it any surprise Putin is reiterating the initial agreement from a year ago, the same day Blinken is going to shake Xi’s hand like a little kid?

Lol, this is even nbc running with the angle



come to me little boy. Hell, where is Biden? Is he at Delaware now? He att he whitehouse with trans activists? What a disaster if a presidency lmao



Initial agreement? what exactly were those agreements?
 
these are your adults in the room. just to be clear.

FzA1JI-akAIfhaq



I mean, can Joe even make a flight over there any then be functional? No worries, we got touch of gray Blinken representing america and all our values.

oh my god. Fuck everyone who cry “but trump” and their tds <45><45>


Isn’t China literally backing and supplying Putin and yet this is our admin??? What the fuckery
What are you complaining about exactly? That he is extending basic politeness to Xi right before their diplomatic meeting? I mean what do you want him to do, run up and yeet him in the dick?
 
Let's f up that tree line a Western volunteer said.

 
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spinmarino again is posting the same stuff ....
No one is interested to end this war.
So in best case this year might be some ceasefire nothing more.

Ofc ukr can't win vs russia for obuvious resons and no one needs this to happen.
Except ukr.

Therefore ukr aren't allowed to strike targets in russia while russia can do what they want.
Both: west and china fears from civil war in russia....

China needs to have Putin in kremlin and the longer is war, the more chinesse and india might subjugate russia financially and economically.
Ofc also more sales for renewables business in all world. ;)
Ofc the longer will be war, the easier for china will be take russias place in world weapons export market...
 
Putin and Lukashenko are dreaming to create axis Belarus - Russia - Iran - North Korea.
Later to build superempire...
BIC countries needs russia as commodities supplier and not to allow russia to be in power position ....in no case ....strong russia will not sell for cheap.... will be difficult to subjugate....
 
What are you complaining about exactly? That he is extending basic politeness to Xi right before their diplomatic meeting? I mean what do you want him to do, run up and yeet him in the dick?

Just Biden's Derangement Syndrome.

They are grasping at straws, considering Trump's visited mainland China

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