International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[GhostZ06]

ATACMS have an accuracy of 30 feet. That's not a guarantee then that it will hit the base of the bridge or the thinner top cap.

Have to remember these ATACMS are also expensive and Ukraine will only get a handful.

something will probably provide target designation to insure a hit to kill

 

[Nameless King]

ATACMS have an accuracy of 30 feet. That's not a guarantee then that it will hit the base of the bridge or the thinner top cap.

Have to remember these ATACMS are also expensive and Ukraine will only get a handful.

why it costs like $1 bil to make one and patriot batteries? Raw materials will be like few milion at most?

 

[Hog-train]

why it costs like $1 bil to make one and patriot batteries? Raw materials will be like few milion at most?

They cost about 1 million each and HIMARS fires them. Nothing to do with Patriot.

 

[Nameless King]

So let's say Putin withdraws troops from Ukraine and gives back not just the land he occupies since war started but Crimea as well.

What then?

Compensation to Ukr? They will pay it for at least years to come for all damages.

Sanctions? They won't be lifted at all.

Whichever way you look at it, Rus got really noting to lose here. They are fcked anyway peace or war

 

[calavera2]

So let's say Putin withdraws troops from Ukraine and gives back not just the land he occupies since war started but Crimea as well.

What then?

Compensation to Ukr? They will pay it for at least years to come for all damages.

Sanctions? They won't be lifted at all.

Whichever way you look at it, Rus got really noting to lose here. They are fcked anyway peace or war

Well except for all the lives being maimed and destroyed, cities being leveled, treasure going up in smoke...but yhea pretty much nothing to lose

 

[Rod1]

Wasting ATACMS on the Crimea bridge is idiotic, im sure there are tons of better targets ATM.

Crimea bridge would be done if Ukraine manages to get to the Sea of Azov anyway.

 

[Hog-train]

Wasting ATACMS on the Crimea bridge is idiotic, im sure there are tons of better targets ATM.

Crimea bridge would be done if Ukraine manages to get to the Sea of Azov anyway.

They're never gonna get to the Sea of Azov at this pace. Too many mines.

Also, taking out the bridge will help them get to the sea.

 

[Rod1]

They're never gonna get to the Sea of Azov at this pace. Too many mines.

Also, taking out the bridge will help them get to the sea.

If they are not going to take the sea then it will be irrelevant as Russia will just finish the land bridge to Crimea they are already building.

 

[SandisLL]

ATACMS have an accuracy of 30 feet. That's not a guarantee then that it will hit the base of the bridge or the thinner top cap.

Have to remember these ATACMS are also expensive and Ukraine will only get a handful.

For base pylons it is not enough, however it might force to replace peace of reinforced concrete stuff etc. IMHO.
What stuff this might do with railroad I don't know to tell.

 

[SandisLL]

Wasting ATACMS on the Crimea bridge is idiotic, im sure there are tons of better targets ATM.

Crimea bridge would be done if Ukraine manages to get to the Sea of Azov anyway.

Yes. There are xxx better targets.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

So let's say Putin withdraws troops from Ukraine and gives back not just the land he occupies since war started but Crimea as well.

What then?

Compensation to Ukr? They will pay it for at least years to come for all damages.

Sanctions? They won't be lifted at all.

Whichever way you look at it, Rus got really noting to lose here. They are fcked anyway peace or war

russia will never withdraw . They signed the 4 new annexed oblasts into Russian law meaning they have to get those back at the very least. Of course getting those back will be near impossible and at a crazy cost but at this point I dont think Putin gives a shit about losses anymore, the only thing that matters is new conquered territory.
the oil depots and infrastructure getting hit is also huge but again his people suffering is just background noise at best...

 

[Hog-train]

For base pylons it is not enough, however it might force to replace peace of reinforced concrete stuff etc. IMHO.
What stuff this might do with railroad I don't know to tell.

The West could have armed Ukraine to do it earlier on in the war but now it's too late.

 

[SandisLL]

The West could have armed Ukraine to do it earlier on in the war but now it's too late.

Sadly my impression about this war is that it is small plandemic No2 for West and supplies for Ukr with clear intent had been done in order to allow Putin to annex areas he had annexed on paper. When mass media had yelled that there will be big counter offensive I had posted that in best case with supplied stuff maybe will be enough to hold front line and that big problems will be fortifications and minefields. However I'm not arestanovich clown from Monaco casino or other kind of [ huj ] exp ert.

 

[PEB]

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[Siver!]

russia will never withdraw . They signed the 4 new annexed oblasts into Russian law meaning they have to get those back at the very least. Of course getting those back will be near impossible and at a crazy cost but at this point I dont think Putin gives a shit about losses anymore, the only thing that matters is new conquered territory.
the oil depots and infrastructure getting hit is also huge but again his people suffering is just background noise at best...

Sounds like fantasy to say Russia will never withdraw.

Bottom line, it's just too early to say what will 'never' happen.

Personally, I think any paperwork in relation to annexed territories is a futureproofing excuses for continued assaults on those regions - nothing more.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Sounds like fantasy to say Russia will never withdraw.

Bottom line, it's just too early to say what will 'never' happen.

Personally, I think any paperwork in relation to annexed territories is a futureproofing excuses for continued assaults on those regions - nothing more.

Don't underestimate the insanity of Russia and Putin. I said since day 1 only way this ends is within Russia itself or a collapse. Putin is not capable of surrender in any way shape or form and is willing to destroy Russia should it not succeed no different then Hitler in WW2 even when the writing was on the wall. UKR just has to keep doing what they are doing by making Russia pay huge for every km of gained land and at same time keep hitting deep inside Russia .

 

[Siver!]

Don't underestimate the insanity of Russia and Putin. I said since day 1 only way this ends is within Russia itself or a collapse. Putin is not capable of surrender in any way shape or form and is willing to destroy Russia should it not succeed no different then Hitler in WW2 even when the writing was on the wall. UKR just has to keep doing what they are doing by making Russia pay huge for every km of gained land and at same time keep hitting deep inside Russia .

I thought the same, for a while.

But Russia have withdrawn from several notable regions already, and will continue to do so.

The 'win or collapse/nukes' thing (I'm aware you're not saying nukes, you're saying collapse) just doesn't seem to ring true. The only way Russia collapses if it loses is with some sort of civil war - which seems to be totally off the cards. Stringing this conflict out pointlessly is Putin's way of ensuring nobody gets angry enough fast enough to actually want to die to overthrow the regime. War weariness is legit. Maybe once upon a time that was a reality, or if Russia lost too quickly and was embarrassed, sure.

Now?

I don't see it at all, personally, I think it's just pie-in-the-sky stuff.

Russia will probably lose eventually and just retreat with the option of attacking again at some point in the future, hopefully long after Putin has rotted to nothingness.

I do think Putin could be killed internally or even kill himself, that seems perfectly possible, but nothing much bigger than that.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

Oh, Jesus. I recognize a good trolljob when I see one. Good goddamn, this was fucking brilliant:

 

[Strychnine]

ATACMS have an accuracy of 30 feet. That's not a guarantee then that it will hit the base of the bridge or the thinner top cap.

Have to remember these ATACMS are also expensive and Ukraine will only get a handful.

I hope we can keep a steady flow of ATACMS going to Ukraine.