International Russian dissident Navalny criticizes the banning of Trump

Fox by the Sea said:
i don't know about save but would probably push enough reform-minded people through the system that might generate a critical mass. this is an extremely unlikely scenario though. even if by some miracle he would get elected, he'd probably get shot within a week by somebody from the state apparatus, the usual suspects - disgruntled rogue chechens or something like that.

a liberal russia .... doubt it happens anytime soon. probably the model is chinese - dominant state structured that co-opted high tech, censorship and control, punishment for anyone deemed outside the norm through arbitrary rules. a lot of the world is heading towards that model.
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Sad but you're probably correct. I have some hope though, I believe they can put Russia back on the trajectory before the communist scum set it back a few centuries.
grimballer said:
western shill saving russia....

something like yeltsin, right?
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No
 
The ScorpioN said:
When leftists become libertarians^ lmao
If you didn't have double standards you'd have none
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Except I am the one who has been calling out the right's double standard on this issue for many years. Glad to see that if nothing else Orange Dear Leader was able to finally open members of your dim tribe to the possibility that billionaire capitalists pose a clear and present danger to democracy and the American people.
 
Deffid said:
At the very least he has a very unique perspective on the whole topic, whether you agree with him or not. I also think that it's tough to compare private companies selling their soul to dictatorial governments (he mentioned Russia and China as current examples) for benefits to normal democratic countries like the US, but he certainly has a point.
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I don't think his point is meritless. And I do agree that he has a unique perspective, but that perspective isn't one that can be applied to all situations and locations. Russia isn't the United States.
Trump being able to be banned from Twitter doesn't help people in his position in places like Russia, but it does help America. And isn't like Russia needed Twitter to do this in order to give them the courage to continue the abuses they were already doing. They already poisoned Navalny, if they want to shut him up, they'll find a way to justify it.

Twitter is a US based company, and I'm sure that's probably where their focus is. A tweet from the POTUS doesn't hold the same power as literally anyone else on the planet. The POTUS has to be under more scrutiny. The USA is THE world power and a world leader that others look to. So yeah, the POTUS is going to get more attention than random COVID deniers and dictators that aren't accountable to anyone. He's just not in the same situation, imo.

I'm not defending Twitter across the board here, but I think banning Trump was the right move. He had plenty of opportunities to act like a president, provide proof of his claims, and instead he kept pushing his dangerous conspiracy theories. It'd be a bit different had he won this last election, but he's on his way out.

There are conversations that need to be had about the power of big tech, speech, moderating, and who should even be allowed to have an account--but I don't think there are easy answers on most of this.
 
The ScorpioN said:
Yeah, and in the more uncivilized parts of Russia he's hated because he doesn't want to keep shoveling gibs to them in exchange for peace.
The man would save Russia and potentially make it a destination for (relatively) soon to be lots of western immigrants.
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Putin is saving Russia you just cant see it. I can prove it to you in messages. Some of it seems conspiracy theorist but overall half of what was predicted has come true. Putin and the people behind him are recreating the empire. Putin reversed the 90s and saved Russia. Navalny could very well be false opposition OR a western agent OR just delusional OR sincere
 
Facebook and Twitter's time is rapidly shortening.
I'm wondering why there are not more social networks around. Especially in the US.
I know of some Eastern European social networks and they look decent for the almost nothing amount of money they have been created with. People don't register there massively only because East European countries have very bad reputation overall.
I wonder why Facebook has no competition in the US. Makes you rethink of the whole "Greatest Democracy and biggest Economy" thing.
 
milenss said:
Facebook and Twitter's time is rapidly shortening.
I'm wondering why there are not more social networks around. Especially in the US.
I know of some Eastern European social networks and they look decent for the almost nothing amount of money they have been created with. People don't register there massively only because East European countries have very bad reputation overall.
I wonder why Facebook has no competition in the US. Makes you rethink of the whole "Greatest Democracy and biggest Economy" thing.
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How would you compete against Nike or ADIDAS if you wanted to put out some new shoes?
You need a lot of money to get into a market that is already established. Why would millions of people leave Facebook to try out your app when you already have one that you've been using the past 10 years?
 
ultramanhyata said:
Except I am the one who has been calling out the right's double standard on this issue for many years. Glad to see that if nothing else Orange Dear Leader was able to finally open members of your dim tribe to the possibility that billionaire capitalists pose a clear and present danger to democracy and the American people.
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Billionaire capitalists by and large support your brainlet faction. If you weren't a leftist drone that'd make you go hmmm. But alas.
 
Ramon Antonio said:
He’s right. Twitter as always being very selective in applying their policies.

People will say they’re a private company and nobody has the right to their service. Do you also agree that a restaurant should be able to not serve Asians?
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That’s not even closely the case. Trump, and everyone are permitted to make accounts with these platforms, or were, but they broke the rules and got banned. It’s that simple.
 
I don't like the power and influence that companies like Twitter wield over the public discourse but in all honesty I don't think Trump's case is the hill to die on. They've already given him plenty of leeway due to him being the POTUS despite his violating the TOS very publicly multiple times. I do agree its a bad look but what was a far worse look was what Trump pulled on the 6th so as far as I a concerned, good fuck em.
 
milenss said:
Facebook and Twitter's time is rapidly shortening.
I'm wondering why there are not more social networks around. Especially in the US.
I know of some Eastern European social networks and they look decent for the almost nothing amount of money they have been created with. People don't register there massively only because East European countries have very bad reputation overall.
I wonder why Facebook has no competition in the US. Makes you rethink of the whole "Greatest Democracy and biggest Economy" thing.
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It’s because people are lazy and complacent. Why start ur own social media platform or build ur own cell phones when you have rajpreet and zu xhao doing it for you?
 
Orgasmo said:
ACLU is expressing concern too:

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the only reason the ACLU raised concern is because they smell $$. those attorneys at the ACLU are cookie cutter opportunists.

having dealt with them numerous times they only chase money and actually have no regard for human rights. it's just their marketing schtick to keep their tax free non profit status.
 
Back in 2008, Obama won and switched from a MySpace account to an updated White House website where We The People could be updated on what he was up to and where we could voice our concerns and start our own petitions. There was nothing the Murdoch’s or Zuckerberg's could do to stop any of it as it was the Official Platform of the President of the USA.

In 2012, we elected a guy with a Twitter account who decided that a privately owned platform with it’s own independent Terms of Service that boasted a 140 character limit (later updated to 280 characters) was befitting of the most honorable and highest position in America.

I understand all the concern about censorship, but let’s get real. Trump used the same platform pornstars use to post nudity to address the Nation and the world.

He should have stopped using that twitter shit after he tweeted his Covefefe complaint
 
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