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no you haven't. The issue in the OP was about repetition, Batman was just used as an example, hence the Bale comment. Volodya was complaining about repetition, to my understanding, not Batman itself.I understood your point. You just misunderstood HuntersCreed's point, and the point of this thread. There's nothing ironic about us talking about Nolan. We've been doing it since 2008. And we do it seriously
no you haven't. The issue in the OP was about repetition, Batman was just used as an example, hence the Bale comment. Volodya was complaining about repetition, to my understanding, not Batman itself.
the irony was that of all the things to be repetitious about, it was the one highlighted in the OP
that said, we're getting a repetitious ourselves, maybe we both move on.
I get the sentiment, but the OP is pretentious. Doesn't mean I think that the thread as a whole is pretentious or that Creed was either, from memory he was a relatively easy going guy, I knew him mostly from plats. If anything, I think the OP can cause folks to be intimidated from posting in it, when from my experience the thread is fairly accessible. I think it should be tweaked and the snark removed.It's one thing if people who don't post in here pop in to take shots. That's whatever. The question was a dumb one anyway. Obviously more than Batman is discussed in here. Anyone with eyes who can read the last page alone can see that, to say nothing of the thousands of conversations that have been had in this iteration of the SMD which dates to 2017, let alone the millions of conversations that have been had over the 15 years that this thread has existed. It was a lame complaint from someone who didn't care enough to learn about the thread before posting in it or to enter with a friendly first post. (We've interacted before, @volodya, so this is nothing personal, but I've got to call out shenanigans.) I wouldn't have even responded to that post. I only responded because you joined in, and you brought HuntersCreed and the whole history of the thread into it to boot, and I know you know better. HuntersCreed died, so he can't stand watch over his baby anymore. In his stead, I'll always defend the SMD, even from fellow members past or present.
We'll always be cool. Just don't put me in the position of having to beef with you, Vincent. It's no fun
Any opinions on the the world of Italian exploitation of the mid/late 60's to the late 80's?...the giallo, poliziotteschi (crime film), spaghetti western and horror film? From filmmakers like Bava, Leone, Corbucci, Agento, Fulci, Gastadi and more?
This might be considered too schlocky to discuss in the thread such as this, but I haven't read this era of Italian cinema being discussed much by the users here.
To reiterate, the whole point of this thread isn't to pick "serious movies" - and then exclude and make fun of "non-serious" movies and the people who like them - but rather to talk about movies seriously. There's nothing that's too anything to discuss in this thread.
On the subject of Italian exploitation films, we need to throw up the @europe1 "Where-Did-You-Even-Hear-Of-That-Movie?!" signal. He's the resident expert on this cinematic realm. For my part, as a relative novice, I've always thought that Suspiria was overrated and I much prefer Deep Red in the old school giallo world. And I dig the poliziotteschi stuff that I've seen, especially since it's fun seeing Henry Silva show up. The Italian Connection is fun to go along with The French Connection and The Chinese Connection. (I wonder how many "Connection" movies they made in the '70s.) The Manhunt is my favorite of Silva's, though I've still never tracked down Cry of a Prostitute.
What Italian films from this era and these genres do you like? I'm assuming that you were turned onto these films in the second degree courtesy of your Tarantino fandom. I know that's how I got started
Personally, as far as these films are concerned I favor visual style and atmosphere over logical plot. So I love Suspiria for that reason. But I also love Deep Red and his first nine films for that matter(excluding The Five Days (1973)).
I usually love Argento's style as he was something of a disciple of Mario Bava who I consider the director who overall made the probably the most aesthetically pleasing horror films I've ever seen. Films like Black Sunday (1960) and Blood and Black Lace (1964).
And because I'm more lax on the plotting, I love the surreal nightmarish quality of Lucio Fulci's work. The atmosphere he creates in his films (often with the help of composer Fabio Frizzi) is the reason I come back to his stuff most often of all the Italian films of that era. The Gates of Hell Trilogy is just a blast to watch as are many of his others.
And many of the films I mentioned are on Tubi, so they can be watched there to help people decide if they would like to buy the blurays or continue with these genres. They have a section devoted to Italian horror/giallo.
And Cry of the Prostitute is available on youtube in pretty decent quality if you don't mind watching it there
I always come to films (and TV shows, and books) for story first, then style, but I also love genre pieces, so I love seeing people who specialize in a genre give different formulas different twists. I haven't seen The Five Days, but outside of Deep Red and Suspiria, I also really like The Cat O' Nine Tails.
Black Sunday rules. I haven't seen Blood and Black Lace, but I also liked Black Sabbath with Boris Karloff. It certainly helped that Bava went from cinematographer to director. I literally just watched Hard Rain which was also directed by a cinematographer and right away you see how on-point the visuals are when the person in charge has that skill-set.
Never made it around to his stuff. I do love atmosphere, though. It's why I love the old Val Lewton RKO horror films and why the creepier efforts of Lynch and Kubrick are so enjoyable. I'll have to bump Fulci up on my to-see list.
Huh, in recent years I've never even thought to look for films on YouTube. With how strict they've gotten with podcasts and shit, I figured they'd wiped all the movies. Thanks for the heads-up. And I don't know what Tubi is, but I avoid it when I'm looking for movies on my TV. Is it like watching a movie on YouTube (with or without commercials?) or is it like watching a movie on cable (panned-and-scanned and/or edited for content?)?
On the subject of Italian exploitation films, we need to throw up the @europe1 "Where-Did-You-Even-Hear-Of-That-Movie?!" signal. He's the resident expert on this cinematic realm. For my part, as a relative novice, I've always thought that Suspiria was overrated and I much prefer Deep Red in the old school giallo world. And I dig the poliziotteschi stuff that I've seen, especially since it's fun seeing Henry Silva show up. The Italian Connection is fun to go along with The French Connection and The Chinese Connection. (I wonder how many "Connection" movies they made in the '70s.) The Manhunt is my favorite of Silva's, though I've still never tracked down Cry of a Prostitute.
What Italian films from this era and these genres do you like? I'm assuming that you were turned onto these films in the second degree courtesy of your Tarantino fandom. I know that's how I got started
Here's also a cool article on poliziotteschi films from the film journal Offscreen: https://offscreen.com/view/file_under_fire.
Michelle Pfeiffer was great,
That's summarizes the entire movie.but she was a little too unhinged at times.
To be honest I feel like the real issue is "serious" film discussion on Sherdog is dying out, there was at one stage 5+ years ago a supprising strong culture of his in the Mayberry, greatlty supprised me when I found it as I normally posted about such stuff elsewhere but a lot of those posters seem to have been scared off by the rising tide of alt right inceldom which has become so dominant on these forums. As fewer people post on the subject there tends to be less overlap in taste, especially whether you follow the arthouse scene or not and so blockbusters become more of a common ground.no you haven't. The issue in the OP was about repetition, Batman was just used as an example, hence the Bale comment. Volodya was complaining about repetition, to my understanding, not Batman itself.
the irony was that of all the things to be repetitious about, it was the one highlighted in the OP
that said, we're getting a repetitious ourselves, maybe we both move on.
I watched Dune Part Two and I thought it was really good. Well, I have a couple opinions about it. I thought it was good, but the final battle was all messed up. They barely showed any of the fighting and suddenly he's in there dueling with Feyd. They could have shown the assault on the capital city.
Does the story conclude? Because watching part one and getting to the end of that long and boring movie that was all set-up in which nothing happens was one of the most frustrating moviegoing experiences that I've ever had. If the story is over, I'll go back and watch them both back-to-back. But Kill Bill that shit wasn't. That first film wasn't a storytelling whole, and I'll be damned if I watch another movie that's not even a complete movie.
I haven't seen Dune 2 but based on your post, for what it is worth, I would probably suggest you skip it.Does the story conclude? Because watching part one and getting to the end of that long and boring movie that was all set-up in which nothing happens was one of the most frustrating moviegoing experiences that I've ever had. If the story is over, I'll go back and watch them both back-to-back. But Kill Bill that shit wasn't. That first film wasn't a storytelling whole, and I'll be damned if I watch another movie that's not even a complete movie.
Not seen it yet but yeah I would guess so, its the second half of the first Dune novel which is reasonably self contained although they are I believe planning to adapt the second one.Does the story conclude? Because watching part one and getting to the end of that long and boring movie that was all set-up in which nothing happens was one of the most frustrating moviegoing experiences that I've ever had. If the story is over, I'll go back and watch them both back-to-back. But Kill Bill that shit wasn't. That first film wasn't a storytelling whole, and I'll be damned if I watch another movie that's not even a complete movie.
It kind of concludes in that they take over Arrakis but then they leave open room for the 3rd movie because it's reported that the other houses are not accepting him as emperor. So it's setting up a fight with the rest of the galaxy or whatever. The ending was just very anti-climactic and weird in that it didn't show anything at all. It could have been amazing.
Not seen it yet but yeah I would guess so, its the second half of the first Dune novel which is reasonably self contained although they are I believe planning to adapt the second one.
I haven't seen Dune 2 but based on your post, for what it is worth, I would probably suggest you skip it.
"Long and boring" so to speak is that directors style. Clearly not your cup of tea, which is fine, but it is an artistic choice, the director even going so far as to say he "doesn't like dialgoue, feels it gets in the way of a film and if people want dialogue go watch theater"
(or something pretty close to that sentiment.)
It is a different taste. "Show me don't tell me" and with a HEAVY emphasis on scenery and visuals, as well as to a different extent relying on the score to convey mood.
All that long winded stuff basically to say, if you didn't like the first one, you will likely hate the second one, which if I am not mistaken is even longer run time than the first.
@Bullitt68 you don’t strike me as a Villeneuve fan. his sci-fi/action efforts are the antithesis of Nolan’s in a lot of ways, so it wouldn’t surprise me. happy to be wrong though!
Honestly I felt the first Dune was pretty Nolanish, less of a thriller than Nolan tends to go with I spose but more plot heavy compared to BR2049.
And while I'm here, I also finally got around to The Iron Claw. Another 2023 letdown. Literally all of the big movies that I wanted to see from last year let me down with the exception of Ferrari. The Iron Claw was just lacking in focus. It's longer than it needs to be and yet it leaves out major (and fucking cinematic) moments from the real story, and it's never clear whether we're watching Efron as the surviving son realize how toxic his family dynamic was or whether we're watching the father's family empire crumble. Maura Tierney was also short-changed by being given a hollow character. Lastly, for nerdy nitpicking, Efron's character in real life was the pretty boy with the leaner body while White's character was the jacked hulking monster, yet in the film it was clearly Efron who took the role seriously and hit the weights and the roids to get huge, while White looked like he didn't even bother lifting to prepare for the role and looked way too small and soft. Just missed too many of the character and theme targets for me.