Law Should Adulthood (The Rights To Vote, Smoke, Drink, Marry, Enlist, Bear Arms) Be 18 or 21?

[JDragon]

Double

 

[panamaican]

I think the more salient question is when do you try people as adults. Because that one seems to have the most variation. Given what we know about brain development, we probably should place adulthood at 25.

And it's reasonable for everything else too - cigarettes, weed, alcohol, contracts. The only thing where I'm seeing an exemption is entering the workforce.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

21, people dont mature like they use to.

 

[Arkain2K]

 

[Cajun]

Might as well raise the military recruitment age and voting age.

This. I believe if someone is going to die for country then they are old enough to make these other choices. But the military gets so much recruitment out of 18yr olds that this will never happen.

 

[Prutfis]

You can't buy tobacco in California until your 21!? The hell is that about?

I don't really have a problem with this since most people are still dependents or students at that age anyway, and I'm assuming the "some exceptions" are for those who aren't and have families and houses. I don't see what Florida's three day waiting period is supposed to accomplish though, except to leave anybody who's received a credible threat defenseless for several days while they wait. I don't think any kind of school shooter or premeditated murderer is going to decide "nevermind" because he had to wait 3 days.

Homeboy probably should have kept his mouth shut with the comparisons to justify, because this kind of leaves the door open to raise the age consent, military recruitment, legal contracts, and a lot of things that are different for "minors".

12 bucks for a pack of Marlboro in San Fran is enough for anyone to quit

 

[Prutfis]

16 for rural kids
25 for city kids


At 15 I had a rifle, at 16 a driver's license, at 17 working night shift at a factory and going to school in the day.

We need to stop babying these people. At 18 years old, people should have their shit together.

Everyone should have a part time job by the time they are 14.

 

[tenniswhiz]

You have to be at least 35 in order to run for president.
After all, we wouldn’t want an immature person to hold that office.

 

[Arkain2K]

I think the more salient question is when do you try people as adults. Because that one seems to have the most variation. Given what we know about brain development, we probably should place adulthood at 25.

And it's reasonable for everything else too - cigarettes, weed, alcohol, contracts. The only thing where I'm seeing an exemption is entering the workforce.

Can you re-open the poll and set it to never expire? I think we'll have some more votes now with the new developments.

 

[panamaican]

Can you re-open the poll and set it to never expire? I think we'll have some more votes now with the new developments.

done

 

[Cyrano200]

My point hinges on my original post, which is that at 18 I wanted to strike out on my own and not be beholden to my parents.

I very much felt this as well. Whatever I was going to do, it was going to be mine.

"we can send you off to get slaughtered in war zones but eh sorry you can't buy any firearms to protect yourself while you're back home"

This. I believe if someone is going to die for country then they are old enough to make these other choices. But the military gets so much recruitment out of 18yr olds that this will never happen.

A lot of posters connecting military service age with adulthood....I concede the point about the inherent, and permanent, risk to life associated with the military, service itself does not require maturity. When the group in question, those aged 18 to 21, join the armed forces they are mothered in as many ways as they are hardened. I say this as a Navy retiree who enlisted at 18. Yes you have to get up early, exercise vigorously, maintain strict hygiene (haircut, shave, nails) and appearance standards, vocational training is fast-paced and unforgiving, and of course a small percentage are exposed to combat (although that can change quickly). BUT every decision is made for you and all your needs are someone else's responsibility. Your clothes are provided, your meals are provided, your daily schedule is planned for you, and your housing is provided. The training, work, and the hard lessons of actually meeting requirements, schedules, and expectations usually moves young enlistees beyond that level of care quickly, but it is there at first.

 

[Cyrano200]

My point hinges on my original post, which is that at 18 I wanted to strike out on my own and not be beholden to my parents.

I very much felt this as well. Whatever I was going to do, it was going to be mine.

"we can send you off to get slaughtered in war zones but eh sorry you can't buy any firearms to protect yourself while you're back home"

This. I believe if someone is going to die for country then they are old enough to make these other choices. But the military gets so much recruitment out of 18yr olds that this will never happen.

A lot of posters connecting military service age with adulthood....I concede the point about the inherent, and permanent, risk to life associated with the military, service itself does not require maturity. When the group in question, those aged 18 to 21, join the armed forces they are mothered in as many ways as they are hardened. I say this as a Navy retiree who enlisted at 18. Yes you have to get up early, exercise vigorously, maintain strict hygiene (haircut, shave, nails) and appearance standards, vocational training is fast-paced and unforgiving, and of course a small percentage are exposed to combat (although that can change quickly). BUT every decision is made for you and all your needs are someone else's responsibility. Your clothes are provided, your meals are provided, your daily schedule is planned for you, and your housing is provided. The training, work, and the hard lessons of actually meeting requirements, schedules, and expectations usually moves young enlistees beyond that level of care quickly, but it is there at first.

 

[Cyrano200]

My point hinges on my original post, which is that at 18 I wanted to strike out on my own and not be beholden to my parents.

I very much felt this as well. Whatever I was going to do, it was going to be mine.

"we can send you off to get slaughtered in war zones but eh sorry you can't buy any firearms to protect yourself while you're back home"

This. I believe if someone is going to die for country then they are old enough to make these other choices. But the military gets so much recruitment out of 18yr olds that this will never happen.

A lot of posters connecting military service age with adulthood....I concede the point about the inherent, and permanent, risk to life associated with the military, service itself does not require maturity. When the group in question, those aged 18 to 21, join the armed forces they are mothered in as many ways as they are hardened. I say this as a Navy retiree who enlisted at 18. Yes you have to get up early, exercise vigorously, maintain strict hygiene (haircut, shave, nails) and appearance standards, vocational training is fast-paced and unforgiving, and of course a small percentage are exposed to combat (although that can change quickly). BUT every decision is made for you and all your needs are someone else's responsibility. Your clothes are provided, your meals are provided, your daily schedule is planned for you, and your housing is provided. The training, work, and the hard lessons of actually meeting requirements, schedules, and expectations usually moves young enlistees beyond that level of care quickly, but it is there at first.

 

[cincymma79]

I think the more salient question is when do you try people as adults. Because that one seems to have the most variation. Given what we know about brain development, we probably should place adulthood at 25.

And it's reasonable for everything else too - cigarettes, weed, alcohol, contracts. The only thing where I'm seeing an exemption is entering the workforce.

Could make a third class or do it de facto by some kind of sentencing guidelines or adding a second degree of sorts for 18-25

 

[Cyrano200]

My point hinges on my original post, which is that at 18 I wanted to strike out on my own and not be beholden to my parents.

I very much felt this as well. Whatever I was going to do, it was going to be mine.

"we can send you off to get slaughtered in war zones but eh sorry you can't buy any firearms to protect yourself while you're back home"

This. I believe if someone is going to die for country then they are old enough to make these other choices. But the military gets so much recruitment out of 18yr olds that this will never happen.

A lot of posters connecting military service age with adulthood....I concede the point about the inherent, and permanent, risk to life associated with the military, service itself does not require maturity. When the group in question, those aged 18 to 21, join the armed forces they are mothered in as many ways as they are hardened. I say this as a Navy retiree who enlisted at 18. Yes you have to get up early, exercise vigorously, maintain strict hygiene (haircut, shave, nails) and appearance standards, vocational training is fast-paced and unforgiving, and of course a small percentage are exposed to combat (although that can change quickly). BUT every decision is made for you and all your needs are someone else's responsibility. Your clothes are provided, your meals are provided, your daily schedule is planned for you, and your housing is provided. The training, work, and the hard lessons of actually meeting requirements, schedules, and expectations usually moves young enlistees beyond that level of care quickly, but it is there at first.

 

[whougonnacall]

Be honest enough to admit theres 18 year olds in porn youd screw senseless and move on from there , they are unquestionably adults man

 

[tonni]

If an adult is really 21, or later, then should these "children" be driving automobiles?

No.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Should be 13, adolescence is a 20th century invention.

 

[djacobox372]

People need to consider the reasoning behind the legal definition of adulthood: it's an effort to protect people from damaging decision making due to immaturity, as well as to mitigate the damage caused by those immature decisions.

That being the goal, we should look to science. Scientifically speaking men shouldn't be considered adults until 26. Women should enter legal adulthood a couple years earlier.

 

[Armbars]

i'm yet to meet a man that's not a complete retard under 25.

Come on, aren't we all cunts well into our 20's?