Stop trying to rewrite history with GSP...

[Seaside]

Honestly all of these GSP revisionist history threads are getting really annoying.

The guy was a good fighter, but to call him things like "the most dominant champion ever" or "GOAT" is literally just Canadians and fanbois trying to make him out to be something he never was.

For the noobs who just started following mma, here are a few facts about GSP that you won't hear from the fanbois on this site.

- Calling GSP a "dominant champion" is a slap in the face to any fighter who can actually finish their opponents. FACT: GSP hadnt finished a single fight for 5 years straight ( Almost 10 years in his own weight class.....TEN). For dominant champions, see Jon Jones, a guy who never lost a fight in his life, Fedor, who crushed his opponents (not decisioned) for over a decade, and Silva, who made destroying opponents look beautiful.

-FACT: GSP ducked Silva like the plague in his prime. Wanted nothing to do with the Spider, to the point where people were circulating photoshopped pictures of GSP being smaller than he really was, next to Silva lol.....like people were so scared of seeing their hero destroyed that they took the time to make FAKE size comparison pictures. Think about that for a sec...

-One of GSP fanbois favorite excuses is the subject of steroids. They love to be naive and pretend that GSP was the ONE clean fighter, while almost everyone else was juicing.

FACT: NSAC's Keith Kizer said he was absolutely bombarded with questions from GSP's camp concerning what specifically they test for, and would not agree to random testing, unless he knew the dates........LOL sounds clean to me, amirite?

FACT: GSP Left the UFC, coincidentally the same month NSAC began enhanced testing, December 2013... All natty bro!


-FACT: For years, GSP said he was "Too small to move up", Then saw one eye, over the hill Bisping, and suddenly had no issues moving up.

-Then "caught colitis" when faced with fighting legitimate competition, like Whitaker, or T Wood.

-"Colitis" is magically gone, now that those fights are off the table, and the word is that he's considering dropping to 155 to bully smaller fighters now.

GSP was never, and will never be on the level of Silva, Jones, Fedor, and DC....and no amount of revisionist history is going to change that.

I agree. But he is better than Anderson skill wise and well roundeness and yeah he did duck. But at same type Silva is way bigger.

 

[frye666]

Honestly all of these GSP revisionist history threads are getting really annoying.

The guy was a good fighter, but to call him things like "the most dominant champion ever" or "GOAT" is literally just Canadians and fanbois trying to make him out to be something he never was.

For the noobs who just started following mma, here are a few facts about GSP that you won't hear from the fanbois on this site.

- Calling GSP a "dominant champion" is a slap in the face to any fighter who can actually finish their opponents. FACT: GSP hadnt finished a single fight for 5 years straight ( Almost 10 years in his own weight class.....TEN). For dominant champions, see Jon Jones, a guy who never lost a fight in his life, Fedor, who crushed his opponents (not decisioned) for over a decade, and Silva, who made destroying opponents look beautiful.

-FACT: GSP ducked Silva like the plague in his prime. Wanted nothing to do with the Spider, to the point where people were circulating photoshopped pictures of GSP being smaller than he really was, next to Silva lol.....like people were so scared of seeing their hero destroyed that they took the time to make FAKE size comparison pictures. Think about that for a sec...

-One of GSP fanbois favorite excuses is the subject of steroids. They love to be naive and pretend that GSP was the ONE clean fighter, while almost everyone else was juicing.

FACT: NSAC's Keith Kizer said he was absolutely bombarded with questions from GSP's camp concerning what specifically they test for, and would not agree to random testing, unless he knew the dates........LOL sounds clean to me, amirite?

FACT: GSP Left the UFC, coincidentally the same month NSAC began enhanced testing, December 2013... All natty bro!


-FACT: For years, GSP said he was "Too small to move up", Then saw one eye, over the hill Bisping, and suddenly had no issues moving up.

-Then "caught colitis" when faced with fighting legitimate competition, like Whitaker, or T Wood.

-"Colitis" is magically gone, now that those fights are off the table, and the word is that he's considering dropping to 155 to bully smaller fighters now.

GSP was never, and will never be on the level of Silva, Jones, Fedor, and DC....and no amount of revisionist history is going to change that.

Didn't you just make this thread?
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/bisping-fans-lets-reminisce.3825327/

 

[Blayt7hh]

I love how butthurt you turds get over GSP

 

[McDego]

I agree. But he is better than Anderson skill wise and well roundeness and yeah he did duck. But at same type Silva is way bigger.

How is he better skill wise and more well rounded than Anderson?

He has better wrestling. That's it.

GSP couldn't submit Dan fucking Hardy. Remember?

Silva is the only fighter in history to have a knockout with every appendage. Both (right and left) hand, feet, knees, and elbows. Silva's BJJ > GSP's

Where is GSP better other than wrestling?

Please don't start this way bigger bullshit again! LOL. Silva is taller, not "way bigger". Maybe a 10-12 pound weight difference between the two, max. Silva was fat and didn't cut for 205. GSP walks around 195-200lb when cutting to 170.

 

[frye666]

How is he better skill wise and more well rounded than Anderson?

He has better wrestling. That's it.

GSP couldn't submit Dan fucking Hardy. Remember?

Silva is the only fighter in history to have a knockout with every appendage. Both (right and left) hand, feet, knees, and elbows. Silva's BJJ > GSP's

Where is GSP better other than wrestling?

Please don't start this way bigger bullshit again! LOL. Silva is taller, not "way bigger". Maybe a 10-12 pound weight difference between the two, max. Silva was fat and didn't cut for 205. GSP walks around 195-200lb when cutting to 170.

What was Weidman better at than Silva? For comparison.

 

[frye666]

Was Chris a better striker? Better BJJ? Or just wrestling. That's it.

 

[frye666]

Because, if Weidman, GSP, and Silva are all the same size, and Chis is only better at wrestling, then it sure makes perfect sense GSP would beat Silva. Yes?

 

[RockyLockridge]

After winning the belt from serra how many tounds has he lost? 1 to sheilds, 2 to hendricks? Over 9 fights?

How is that not "dominant"

 

[Ananth]

GSP was very picky all rite. If Jones and Silva never tested positive, I have GSP at number 4, as of now he is the 2nd greatest fighter ever. Fedor is number one.

 

[truthisfreedom]

GSP was very picky all rite. If Jones and Silva never tested positive, I have GSP at number 4, as of now he is the 2nd greatest fighter ever. Fedor is number one.

GSP himself has gone on record about how easy it is to beat PED tests....

 

[frye666]

GSP himself has gone on record about how easy it is to beat PED tests....

Go wiki how many fighters have tested positive in the UFC. A couple 100 maybe? GSP don't seem to be there. Are you saying GSP is that much more intelligent than Jones or Silva?

 

[Ananth]

GSP himself has gone on record about how easy it is to beat PED tests....

You have to give the benefit of the doubt.

I do believe GSP might have used in the past, just like Pride allowed PED's, but you just cant accuse people without proof.

Jones and Silva got caught and there will always be an asterisk next to their legacy.

 

[truthisfreedom]

You have to give the benefit of the doubt.

I do believe GSP might have used in the past, just like Pride allowed PED's, but you just cant accuse people without proof.

Jones and Silva got caught and there will always be an asterisk next to their legacy.

You've shown the exact double standard that people have when it comes to GSP and the others. Everyone wants to give Georges the benefit of doubt even though evidence points to the contrary, especially Keith Kizer's convos with the GSP camp. But those same people give Jones Silva 0 benefit of doubt, when it's already been established that a person can be flagged, without actually taking something knowingly. Furthermore, Silva NEVER flagged in his prime. But where's the benefit of doubt for him?

 

[Hypetrainofthemonth]

Honestly all of these GSP revisionist history threads are getting really annoying.

The guy was a good fighter, but to call him things like "the most dominant champion ever" or "GOAT" is literally just Canadians and fanbois trying to make him out to be something he never was.

For the noobs who just started following mma, here are a few facts about GSP that you won't hear from the fanbois on this site.

- Calling GSP a "dominant champion" is a slap in the face to any fighter who can actually finish their opponents. FACT: GSP hadnt finished a single fight for 5 years straight ( Almost 10 years in his own weight class.....TEN). For dominant champions, see Jon Jones, a guy who never lost a fight in his life, Fedor, who crushed his opponents (not decisioned) for over a decade, and Silva, who made destroying opponents look beautiful.

-FACT: GSP ducked Silva like the plague in his prime. Wanted nothing to do with the Spider, to the point where people were circulating photoshopped pictures of GSP being smaller than he really was, next to Silva lol.....like people were so scared of seeing their hero destroyed that they took the time to make FAKE size comparison pictures. Think about that for a sec...

-One of GSP fanbois favorite excuses is the subject of steroids. They love to be naive and pretend that GSP was the ONE clean fighter, while almost everyone else was juicing. They also hate when you infer that GSP was on gear based on all of the overwhelming evidence , but then have no issues inferring that other fighters have been on gear their whole lives because they were flagged. FACT: It's possible that a person can be on gear, without ever popping for it....GSP himself stated how easy it is to beat the PED tests.

FACT: NSAC's Keith Kizer said he was absolutely bombarded with questions from GSP's camp concerning what specifically they test for, and would not agree to random testing, unless he knew the dates........LOL sounds clean to me, amirite?

FACT: GSP Left the UFC, coincidentally the same month NSAC began enhanced testing, December 2013... All natty bro!


-FACT: For years, GSP said he was "Too small to move up", Then saw one eye, over the hill Bisping, and suddenly had no issues moving up.

-Then "caught colitis" when faced with fighting legitimate competition, like Whitaker, or T Wood.

-"Colitis" is magically gone, now that those fights are off the table, and the word is that he's considering dropping to 155 to bully smaller fighters now.

GSP was never, and will never be on the level of Silva, Jones, Fedor, and DC....and no amount of revisionist history is going to change that.

1. FACT: Winning is winning. Any fighter will tell you that, especially when you fight top 3's consecutively for years.
2. FACT: Anderson Silva fought at WW LONG before GSP thought of MW, it's awfully funny how no one wanted Silva to come down to a class he's fought at before. It's also on record MANY times GSP stated he wanted to properly bulk up. Silva was big scared to lose to someone smaller than him.
3. FACT: Cheating is cheating. GSP has openly called for stricter testing before his initial retirement, and stated he wouldnt return until they did. He also knows there isnt a perfect system. Even if he was on PED's, he was no where near the level's of Silva who got busted. TWICE.
4. FACT: Well of course, he wanted to know there was actually going to be stringent testing, but this one is moot cause like with everything else, you can twist it to fit your narrative.
5. FACT: As stated above, GSP is the one that was openly calling for it.
6: FACT: As stated above, i'll repeated it again, as i've always done. It's on record that he's said he's need time to properly bulk up, I.E. Not take roids like Silva( weird how someone who started at WW could jump to LHW. (And he surely wasn't cutting weight like rumble.)
7: FACT: He had colitis DURING the Bisping fight, and finished the guy who beat Silva. He gained it because of the attempt of adding mass.
8:FACT: He still has Colitis, if you have proof of him saying he's cured, post it other wise, like many of your facts, they're incorrect. He's merely managing the symptoms.
9: FACT: If you can make weight, you're not "bullying" anyone. It's amazing how only GSP is getting flack for this, yet conor(who ironically called people midgets at 145) never did, or TILL (whose missed weight atleast twice) or literally any other fighter whose gone down.
10: FACT: If colitis is giving him trouble maintaining mass, wouldnt you know, losing weight just further the proof that GSP is correct about his Doctors diagnosis and some random hater is just upset his favorite is below GSP in all types of talks.

All of these attempts were pretty easy to debunk

This was alot easier than i thought. @20falarVerdades thanks for the tag broseph.

Get back at me when Silva can win more than two in a row off PEDs. LMAO GSP has a better win record against COMMON OPPONENTS.

Anyways, i don't plan on going around in circles when theres dozens of other threads attempting to discredit the WW GoAT, Lineal WW & MW champion, and at minimum #2 All time GOAT (Fedor & GSP are interchangable until either PoP, which wont happen since GSP's clean, and Fedor will never fight in a legit organization that tests)

 

[frye666]

You've shown the exact double standard that people have when it comes to GSP and the others. Everyone wants to give Georges the benefit of doubt even though evidence points to the contrary, especially Keith Kizer's convos with the GSP camp. But those same people give Jones Silva 0 benefit of doubt, when it's already been established that a person can be flagged, without actually taking something knowingly. Furthermore, Silva NEVER flagged in his prime. But where's the benefit of doubt for him?

There is literally no evidence anywhere that GSP took roids. None. You could post the hgh gut pic I suppose, but I could post a pic of him a second later when he looks normal. The gut doesn't happen to disapear in a couple seconds just in case you thought that.

 

[McDego]

Was Chris a better striker? Better BJJ? Or just wrestling. That's it.

I would say Chris's BJJ is close to Silva's, closer than GSP's anyway, with his wrestling definitely being better. Striking? We all know that his striking isn't better than Anderson Silva, man.

Silva excessively showboated in the first fight, much more than usual, and paid the price. Anybody can get knocked out, and he did because he closed his eyes and did a little shimmy shake bullshit show-off thing. If you watch closely, Chris's bad striking is actually what won him that fight as the half-assed backhand he threw (instead of a left) threw Silva off and he stepped right into the left, right on the chin, when Chris should have been throwing a right instead. Shoulda coulda woulda, I get it, no excuses - Chris knocked him out. Number of reasons why, but it wasn't because he was a better striker when he was billed as a wrestler. It was a combination of things, with the main factors being Silva acting like an idiot, then The Chris throwing a bad an unconventional combo which resulted in a KO.

Second fight with Chris? Freak accident, obviously.

All that, however, is irrelevant. Where is GSP better than Silva other than wrestling?

Why ignore the initial question and come back with a totally different fighter and scenario? The fact that Chris Weidman knocked out Anderson Silva doesn't mean that GSP has better striking or submissions than Silva. The fuck?

 

[Frank Edgar]

He is one of the GOATs for sure. As far as overall MMA goat, it's kind of a pointless discussion because many of the greats never fought each other due to being in different weight classes.

But he definitely played it safe in his career. His style became all about being in control, giving his opponents as little room to work with as possible from the bottom. He would work his way to side control and let his opponent get back into full guard so that they would spend all their time and energy just trying to get into a better position. It made them feel like they were successfully defending while he racked up points and peppered them with GnP. It was very boring to watch after a certain point

 

[NotoriousMillions]

Honestly all of these GSP revisionist history threads are getting really annoying.

The guy was a good fighter, but to call him things like "the most dominant champion ever" or "GOAT" is literally just Canadians and fanbois trying to make him out to be something he never was.

For the noobs who just started following mma, here are a few facts about GSP that you won't hear from the fanbois on this site.

- Calling GSP a "dominant champion" is a slap in the face to any fighter who can actually finish their opponents. FACT: GSP hadnt finished a single fight for 5 years straight ( Almost 10 years in his own weight class.....TEN). For dominant champions, see Jon Jones, a guy who never lost a fight in his life, Fedor, who crushed his opponents (not decisioned) for over a decade, and Silva, who made destroying opponents look beautiful.

-FACT: GSP ducked Silva like the plague in his prime. Wanted nothing to do with the Spider, to the point where people were circulating photoshopped pictures of GSP being smaller than he really was, next to Silva lol.....like people were so scared of seeing their hero destroyed that they took the time to make FAKE size comparison pictures. Think about that for a sec...

-One of GSP fanbois favorite excuses is the subject of steroids. They love to be naive and pretend that GSP was the ONE clean fighter, while almost everyone else was juicing. They also hate when you infer that GSP was on gear based on all of the overwhelming evidence , but then have no issues inferring that other fighters have been on gear their whole lives because they were flagged. FACT: It's possible that a person can be on gear, without ever popping for it....GSP himself stated how easy it is to beat the PED tests.

FACT: NSAC's Keith Kizer said he was absolutely bombarded with questions from GSP's camp concerning what specifically they test for, and would not agree to random testing, unless he knew the dates........LOL sounds clean to me, amirite?

FACT: GSP Left the UFC, coincidentally the same month NSAC began enhanced testing, December 2013... All natty bro!


-FACT: For years, GSP said he was "Too small to move up", Then saw one eye, over the hill Bisping, and suddenly had no issues moving up.

-Then "caught colitis" when faced with fighting legitimate competition, like Whitaker, or T Wood.

-"Colitis" is magically gone, now that those fights are off the table, and the word is that he's considering dropping to 155 to bully smaller fighters now.

GSP was never, and will never be on the level of Silva, Jones, Fedor, and DC....and no amount of revisionist history is going to change that.

GSP actually faced tough competition though, but I agree. He definitely didn't dominate, mostly played it safe. Still better than all the guys you mentioned though.

 

[Anthony7]

FACT: GSP is the G.O.A.T and the rest don't come close.

 

[frye666]

I would say Chris's BJJ is close to Silva's, closer than GSP's anyway, with his wrestling definitely being better. Striking? We all know that his striking isn't better than Anderson Silva, man.

Silva excessively showboated in the first fight, much more than usual, and paid the price. Anybody can get knocked out, and he did because he closed his eyes and did a little shimmy shake bullshit show-off thing. If you watch closely, Chris's bad striking is actually what won him that fight as the half-assed backhand he threw (instead of a left) threw Silva off and he stepped right into the left, right on the chin, when Chris should have been throwing a right instead. Shoulda coulda woulda, I get it, no excuses - Chris knocked him out. Number of reasons why, but it wasn't because he was a better striker when he was billed as a wrestler. It was a combination of things, with the main factors being Silva acting like an idiot, then The Chris throwing a bad an unconventional combo which resulted in a KO.

Second fight with Chris? Freak accident, obviously.

All that, however, is irrelevant. Where is GSP better than Silva other than wrestling?

Why ignore the initial question and come back with a totally different fighter and scenario? The fact that Chris Weidman knocked out Anderson Silva doesn't mean that GSP has better striking or submissions than Silva. The fuck?

The point is Weidman beat Silva twice, and GSP is better than Weidman everywhere. As for BJJ... GSP got subbed once. By Hughes when he was green. After that, can you name even one time he was even slightly put into a sub? Even against guys like Shields?